• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    I laughed when Milton Friedman thinks free market could prevent climate change through climate dividends and carbon tax. Good luck, boyo, your “greed is good” bullshit is what led us to here.

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    I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It’s worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.

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      Capitalism will make the earth uninhabitable. That will kill us all. If you care about the future, you are thinking about how to murder an oligarch.

      Any other kind of ‘planning’ for the future is delusional clown shit. Just chill the fuck out and do unreasonable amounts of drugs.

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        No, Capitalism will not make the Earth uninhabitable. It will kill very many things the longer it is part of our world, but you are subscribing to a liberal fatalist narrative that constructs the future as definitively destroyed because it does not resemble the world we live in. It’s doomer shit that is painfully white.

        How you got, “we don’t need to end capitalism” I have no responsibility for. If I say it isnt infinitely powerful but must end as quickly as possible, what exactly do you think I’m advocating for?

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    What I never understand is, do the billionaires not care about their own children? Or tbh even themselves at this point as it’s happening so fast even they will be affected (although they can probably mitigate the effects by moving to one of their 500 houses that’s in a safe zone)

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      They have bunkers, they have stockpiles of food and medicine, and they have staff to maintain it all. They fully believe they have the means and resources to insulate themselves from all consequences.

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      If we dont get rid of capitalism, rich will be the last one to be affected by climate change. Proletariat is as shield for them to face wrath of climate change first

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      Capitalism is kinda like a control system, if you aren’t willing to do everything possible for profit you get outcompeted and fall. The billionaires at the top are the ones that truly believe they are doing right, and are building apocalypse bunkers for themselves and their immediate families.

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      The fact that every billionaire will gleefully kill you, me and everyone to make number go up would, if humans were even a little rational, be enough evidence for their immediate liquidation. Capitalism is providing the best evidence for it’s own destruction and yet people just don’t see it because they personally aren’t starving and freezing right now.

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      although they can probably mitigate the effects by moving to one of their 500 houses that’s in a safe zone

      That’s why they don’t care.

      Climate change hits the poorest first and hardest (see: hurricanes in the Caribbean and SEA).

      Billionaires can fly in, enjoy the sunshine, fly out and not get a drop of water on their skin.

      And they’ll keep “outrunning” climate change on an individual level, and only feel it when it hurts their net worth*.

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      At which point, they’ll just re-organize their investments to exploit clean energy subsidies and real estate wherever everyone is fleeing to when the coasts flood.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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      do the billionaires not care about their own children?

      Ummm…no? I sincerely believe some people are inherently evil. Look at Elon Musk and how he treats his children.

      I was watching a documentary on the nature of evil. There is an incarcerated serial killer who acknowledges what he did is evil and wrong, but he doesn’t feel empathy. CT scan of his brain showed that the part of the brain associated with empathy is not really active. Having said that, I heard that the longer someone is in power, the more that their brain physiologically changes.

      Of course it is more complicated and nurture still plays a role on the person’s development, but I think sometimes nature is stronger.

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    Humans are have been killing each other over pettiest things for millenia before capitalism. So an ~ism is not the root problem