Yeah, although it’s not Hero of the Soviet Union medal, he recieved that one only after WW2 victory (and exactly for leading USSR during war). The one he always wore before, including on the photos you linked is Hero of Socialist Labour medal, easily distinguishable up close by slimmer star and hammer and sickle in the middle, but looking pretty similar from afar.
Nobody denies that there was a famine in the 1930s, what leftists deny is the idea that it was intentional. The myth that the 1930s famine was intentional is largely disregarded by modern soviet historians.
A famine that happened in an area that had periodic famines for the entirety of recorded history until the communists took over, no more famines since then lol, get new material loser
Couldn’t find any info on periodic famines at that area. Do you mind sharing any clue, like name, specific area, years? Genuinely interested.
On communist part.
Ukraine SSR was established in 22, Holodomor started in 32. Famine in Tatarstan started in 21, year after Tatar ASSR established. So something not adding up. Even if one ignores those. There were no famines after USSR collapse in both areas. Feel free to point one if I’m missing something.
IDK how you know did I try or not. Sorry I didn’t spent whole day searching of info you claim to be true when it took me 5 mins to debunk your other claims. If you have some rare knowledge or you are some sort of history expert you are doing poor job spreading what you think is truth.
You need a source for what dates of establishment of Ukraine SSR or ASSR? Or Tatarstan femine, that is first hit in search - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921–1922_famine_in_Tatarstan. You are so protective of communists so I assumed you knew some basic dates on topic. If you don’t, that’s also first hit in search. Let me know if you need help with that.
Also, adding “lol” doesn’t make it stronger argument, lol.
Thanks! I didn’t thought looking them up as “Famine in Russia”. We started this conversation from Holodomor. When Amnesigenic was speaking about “that area”, so I wrongly assumed we talking about Ukraine territory only. Not to say there was no famine in other places, just did have associations with broader famine of 31-33.
Going back to “periodic famine” argument, I don’t see how 3 times in 600 years is periodic and that’s including famine in 1315-17 which affected entire Europe all the way to England. I’m sure there were couple others which went under the radar.
But I think it’s delusional to claim Holodomor was not man-made taking into account that major USSR’s ex-member Russia stated that it was “famine caused by forced collectivization” and “strongly condemn the regime that has neglected the lives of people for the achievement of economic and political goals”. So no, it was not yet another periodically occurring famine
Holodomor?
Joseph Gobbles lives on
Yeah what?
Isn’t it interesting how this version of him has many medals, yet he is usually only pictured sporting one medal: Hero of the Soviet Union
From Teheran to Potsdam to Berlin
Yeah, although it’s not Hero of the Soviet Union medal, he recieved that one only after WW2 victory (and exactly for leading USSR during war). The one he always wore before, including on the photos you linked is Hero of Socialist Labour medal, easily distinguishable up close by slimmer star and hammer and sickle in the middle, but looking pretty similar from afar.
Ah, that’s right. Very hard to tell, but in one of the photos of him it does seem to have a hammer and sickle on it.
This is fake. I read he used a giant spoon. Stop spreading pRoPaGaNdA.
Nobody denies that there was a famine in the 1930s, what leftists deny is the idea that it was intentional. The myth that the 1930s famine was intentional is largely disregarded by modern soviet historians.
You’re lying. I have the evidence right here.
You know what famine was actually man-made though? The Bengal Famine.
A famine that happened in an area that had periodic famines for the entirety of recorded history until the communists took over, no more famines since then lol, get new material loser
Couldn’t find any info on periodic famines at that area. Do you mind sharing any clue, like name, specific area, years? Genuinely interested.
On communist part. Ukraine SSR was established in 22, Holodomor started in 32. Famine in Tatarstan started in 21, year after Tatar ASSR established. So something not adding up. Even if one ignores those. There were no famines after USSR collapse in both areas. Feel free to point one if I’m missing something.
If you couldn’t find any info it’s because you’re not trying, and lol @ “plz give me sources” followed immediately by specific claims with no sources
IDK how you know did I try or not. Sorry I didn’t spent whole day searching of info you claim to be true when it took me 5 mins to debunk your other claims. If you have some rare knowledge or you are some sort of history expert you are doing poor job spreading what you think is truth.
You need a source for what dates of establishment of Ukraine SSR or ASSR? Or Tatarstan femine, that is first hit in search - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921–1922_famine_in_Tatarstan. You are so protective of communists so I assumed you knew some basic dates on topic. If you don’t, that’s also first hit in search. Let me know if you need help with that.
Also, adding “lol” doesn’t make it stronger argument, lol.
Step 1: Search “Famines in Russia”
Step 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union
Thanks! I didn’t thought looking them up as “Famine in Russia”. We started this conversation from Holodomor. When Amnesigenic was speaking about “that area”, so I wrongly assumed we talking about Ukraine territory only. Not to say there was no famine in other places, just did have associations with broader famine of 31-33.
Going back to “periodic famine” argument, I don’t see how 3 times in 600 years is periodic and that’s including famine in 1315-17 which affected entire Europe all the way to England. I’m sure there were couple others which went under the radar.
But I think it’s delusional to claim Holodomor was not man-made taking into account that major USSR’s ex-member Russia stated that it was “famine caused by forced collectivization” and “strongly condemn the regime that has neglected the lives of people for the achievement of economic and political goals”. So no, it was not yet another periodically occurring famine
Wow hey look at that literally all it took was typing the exact words into the website you were already on, like I said you weren’t trying