Im tired of these wasted arguments. I agree the soviets were not facists in the strictest sense. But my entire point is the result of the soviet model lead to the exact same autocracy authoritarian government that denied their civilians right to their own voices.
They weren’t fascist in any sense. Your point isn’t based on historical fact at all, you just kept linking Wikipedia articles when I was giving you sources Wikipedia cites. It was in no way the “exact same autocracy authoritarian government” or anything of the sort, you literally said fascists should have been allowed in government even when the citizens supported the purges.
This is historical nihilism, you don’t care about history, you care about being right.
I said purging opposition is a facist purge. And can you really say “citizens” support it when elections were limited by choices preapprpved by the communist party? Even if it were supported by the majority… then that simply makes them no better than the nazis purging their population. Do you support genocide? It sounds a lot like you support genocide.
Supporting democracy is equivalent to supporting genocide?
Supporting a popular movement to remove fascists from government is equivalent to supporting genocide?
I’m convinced you don’t actually read what you write at all, this is incredibly silly behavior. You’re even wrong about candidates needing to be “pre-approved,” that was true in some cases and false in others, and even if it was true in all cases it doesn’t mean popular support for removing fascists is somehow support for genocide.
Seriously, touch grass. You don’t have to read, or learn about history, as long as you make an effort to touch grass at this point.
“Purging” normally meant “expulsion from Party membership” and carried no actual punishment. For criminals who were purged, that also included jail time or even execution. The myth that everyone purged was executed comes from the Black Book of Communism, anti-communist mythology that the creators have since denounced, and even included Nazis killed during World War II as “victims of Communism.”
You can feel free to read history books like the ones I have linked.
Hand wave what away? Everything I have said is consistent with what we historically know about the Soviet Union. Can you point to something you believe I disagree with? Just linking Wikipedia articles doesn’t actually constitute an argument, do you think I am denying that the Great Purge happened at all?
“Purging” normally meant “expulsion from Party membership” and carried no actual punishment. For criminals who were purged, that also included jail time or even execution. The myth that everyone purged was executed comes from the Black Book of Communism,
Your words. So you agree the great purge occured… so how are you going to explain how 1 million executions were justified and how many more does it need to be to stop being mythical?
Im tired of these wasted arguments. I agree the soviets were not facists in the strictest sense. But my entire point is the result of the soviet model lead to the exact same autocracy authoritarian government that denied their civilians right to their own voices.
They weren’t fascist in any sense. Your point isn’t based on historical fact at all, you just kept linking Wikipedia articles when I was giving you sources Wikipedia cites. It was in no way the “exact same autocracy authoritarian government” or anything of the sort, you literally said fascists should have been allowed in government even when the citizens supported the purges.
This is historical nihilism, you don’t care about history, you care about being right.
I said purging opposition is a facist purge. And can you really say “citizens” support it when elections were limited by choices preapprpved by the communist party? Even if it were supported by the majority… then that simply makes them no better than the nazis purging their population. Do you support genocide? It sounds a lot like you support genocide.
Removing fascists from government is fascist?
Supporting democracy is equivalent to supporting genocide?
Supporting a popular movement to remove fascists from government is equivalent to supporting genocide?
I’m convinced you don’t actually read what you write at all, this is incredibly silly behavior. You’re even wrong about candidates needing to be “pre-approved,” that was true in some cases and false in others, and even if it was true in all cases it doesn’t mean popular support for removing fascists is somehow support for genocide.
Seriously, touch grass. You don’t have to read, or learn about history, as long as you make an effort to touch grass at this point.
You do know “purging” wasnt being sent off to a happy little farm, right?
“Purging” normally meant “expulsion from Party membership” and carried no actual punishment. For criminals who were purged, that also included jail time or even execution. The myth that everyone purged was executed comes from the Black Book of Communism, anti-communist mythology that the creators have since denounced, and even included Nazis killed during World War II as “victims of Communism.”
You can feel free to read history books like the ones I have linked.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
Cant wait to see how you hand wave this one away.
Hand wave what away? Everything I have said is consistent with what we historically know about the Soviet Union. Can you point to something you believe I disagree with? Just linking Wikipedia articles doesn’t actually constitute an argument, do you think I am denying that the Great Purge happened at all?
Touch grass, please.
Your words. So you agree the great purge occured… so how are you going to explain how 1 million executions were justified and how many more does it need to be to stop being mythical?