Its frustrating to be told no how you’re saying what you’re saying is incorrect, when what’s being said is pretty important. If you can ignore what I’m saying then you’re also justifying what happened, cause the medium is more important than the message.
I hope that clarifies why I’m frustrated.
Fair, but you lashed out at me directly, you referred to my reaction specifically, and I have the responsibility to take seriously criticism that is a priori directed at me, lest I say “heh, they’re not talking about me” when you do mean something I, specifically, said or did wrong.
I think your frustration over the “form over content” concern trolling is completely legitimate and justified, but I also think that you are wrong at underestimating the massive problem that generative AI entails, which other comments were concerned about. Is this post not the place to do so? Yogthos has been spamming this community lately with AI slop memes, and making fun of anyone displaying any concern at all. OP has also contributed a fair bit to the spam. The content of those memes themselves are pretty reasonable and they tackle issues that need to be talked about. They can all be talked about without contributing to AI companies burning the world faster than it ever has burned before.
Where is the place to talk about this? AI slop is not moderated against, so it needs to be discussed somewhere. I understand that your ideology is one such that imperialist damage on the Global South takes priority over generative AI, and I think that is reasonable, but you need to respect that the damage caused by generative AI is also a genuine concern (that also disproportionately affects the Global South!) and people have a right to be angry about that in the space they have available for it.
I do agree genAI has issues, but I see it as a tool.
But I also don’t criticize the medium people use to talk about oppression and focus my attention on less useful uses of this tech.
So many worms, that I don’t think we can put back in their cans.
So I’m coming at it from a now what are we gonna do about it pov
I also think we are arguing on nuances at some point and we should get a beer/other beverage of choice, first ones on me.
Yknow this whole exhausting discussion could be avoided by simply not using Ai tho, not because of any moral reasoning but because the fact we are even arguing about this is taking away from the point being made. Rather than get mad at how people react to Ai, just consider if even using Ai is worth the inevitable derailment it’s causes.
Fair, but you lashed out at me directly, you referred to my reaction specifically, and I have the responsibility to take seriously criticism that is a priori directed at me, lest I say “heh, they’re not talking about me” when you do mean something I, specifically, said or did wrong.
I think your frustration over the “form over content” concern trolling is completely legitimate and justified, but I also think that you are wrong at underestimating the massive problem that generative AI entails, which other comments were concerned about. Is this post not the place to do so? Yogthos has been spamming this community lately with AI slop memes, and making fun of anyone displaying any concern at all. OP has also contributed a fair bit to the spam. The content of those memes themselves are pretty reasonable and they tackle issues that need to be talked about. They can all be talked about without contributing to AI companies burning the world faster than it ever has burned before.
Where is the place to talk about this? AI slop is not moderated against, so it needs to be discussed somewhere. I understand that your ideology is one such that imperialist damage on the Global South takes priority over generative AI, and I think that is reasonable, but you need to respect that the damage caused by generative AI is also a genuine concern (that also disproportionately affects the Global South!) and people have a right to be angry about that in the space they have available for it.
I hope we have reached a common understanding.
I do agree genAI has issues, but I see it as a tool. But I also don’t criticize the medium people use to talk about oppression and focus my attention on less useful uses of this tech. So many worms, that I don’t think we can put back in their cans. So I’m coming at it from a now what are we gonna do about it pov
I also think we are arguing on nuances at some point and we should get a beer/other beverage of choice, first ones on me.
Yknow this whole exhausting discussion could be avoided by simply not using Ai tho, not because of any moral reasoning but because the fact we are even arguing about this is taking away from the point being made. Rather than get mad at how people react to Ai, just consider if even using Ai is worth the inevitable derailment it’s causes.