I’m gonna need more than your word to believe that. Cause I’m not exactly going to believe the same thing Putin spouts as he attacks another neighboring country for their resources.
I feel like I’ve been pretty clear on this. Russia is the aggressor and wants Ukraine’s stuff. Russia just needed to not attack. This is obvious because every deal Russia’s talked about includes taking/keeping Ukrainian land they occupy.
I’m more curious why you think Russia is justified in their actions.
No, Russia did not invade “because Russia wants Ukraine’s stuff.” Do you have any idea about the background of the war? About the relationship between the USSR and NATO, the dissolution of the USSR and how that impacted NATO/Russian relations, the 2014 Euromaidan coup, the declaration of secession of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics and the ensuing war with Kiev? Of the NATO buildup in Ukraine over the last 2 decades? The sabotage of the Minsk agreements? The rise of Banderites and the takeover of nationalists?
Russia wants full demillitarization of Ukraine, which is why they want the 4 oblasts, where the majority of people are ethnically Russian and support the invasion, as a sort of “buffer-zone,” as well as certification that Ukraine won’t be allowed into NATO. This entire thing could have been avoided if NATO kept to their word and didn’t continue to encircle Russia for the last few decades.
If Russia wants “Ukraine’s stuff,” why did they invade when they did, why do they specifically want the 4 oblasts, and why only Ukraine? Your narrative makes no coherent sense, yet it’s the reason you dismiss other narratives uncritically.
Uncritically? I think you need to read between the lines of what aggressors say. And this is true about the US too. At best they give you half truths and excuses. I suppose you believe Iraq had WMDs too? After all, that’s what the US said.
You can’t tell me Russia doesn’t want parts of Ukraine, then in the same post say that a chunk of Ukraine wants to be invaded (i.e. join Russia), when Russia has also stated that as one of the reasons for invading. Even if they want to join Russia, that doesn’t give Russia the right to invade to “liberate” them.
I’m not a historical expert on any of this. I just know what is reported in the media, which is not going to be the entire history. They aren’t a history class.
I’m gonna need more than your word to believe that. Cause I’m not exactly going to believe the same thing Putin spouts as he attacks another neighboring country for their resources.
https://www.workers.org/2024/06/79046/
Provoked the war in Ukraine? Yea… OK. That source became pretty uncredible with that line.
Why do you think the war in Ukraine started? How could it have been avoided?
Perhaps Russia could have not attacked? Nah, too complicated.
That didn’t answer either question, though. Why do you think the war started? How could it have been avoided?
I feel like I’ve been pretty clear on this. Russia is the aggressor and wants Ukraine’s stuff. Russia just needed to not attack. This is obvious because every deal Russia’s talked about includes taking/keeping Ukrainian land they occupy.
I’m more curious why you think Russia is justified in their actions.
No, Russia did not invade “because Russia wants Ukraine’s stuff.” Do you have any idea about the background of the war? About the relationship between the USSR and NATO, the dissolution of the USSR and how that impacted NATO/Russian relations, the 2014 Euromaidan coup, the declaration of secession of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics and the ensuing war with Kiev? Of the NATO buildup in Ukraine over the last 2 decades? The sabotage of the Minsk agreements? The rise of Banderites and the takeover of nationalists?
Russia wants full demillitarization of Ukraine, which is why they want the 4 oblasts, where the majority of people are ethnically Russian and support the invasion, as a sort of “buffer-zone,” as well as certification that Ukraine won’t be allowed into NATO. This entire thing could have been avoided if NATO kept to their word and didn’t continue to encircle Russia for the last few decades.
If Russia wants “Ukraine’s stuff,” why did they invade when they did, why do they specifically want the 4 oblasts, and why only Ukraine? Your narrative makes no coherent sense, yet it’s the reason you dismiss other narratives uncritically.
Uncritically? I think you need to read between the lines of what aggressors say. And this is true about the US too. At best they give you half truths and excuses. I suppose you believe Iraq had WMDs too? After all, that’s what the US said.
You can’t tell me Russia doesn’t want parts of Ukraine, then in the same post say that a chunk of Ukraine wants to be invaded (i.e. join Russia), when Russia has also stated that as one of the reasons for invading. Even if they want to join Russia, that doesn’t give Russia the right to invade to “liberate” them.
I’m not a historical expert on any of this. I just know what is reported in the media, which is not going to be the entire history. They aren’t a history class.