I would spend all the time I can contributing to open source projects.

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It’s really easy if you move to a country where this language is spoken and study a lot.

We have better idea now about what it measures. For example about 35% of differences in IQ scores are associated with working memory capacity. And we have very specific tests to measure working memory. There are more very specific parameters that are correlated with IQ that we can measure. We know quite well what IQ actually is but it’s a mix of many different things and not a simple parameter indicating who’s smart and who’s not.

I tried hosting the bridge and it was hard to set up and unreliable. Right now I have WhatsApp installed on Graphene OS in a work profile so it doesn’t get access to all my contacts, only the ones I had to specifically add in this profile. In theory you can restrict it even more using labels but managing this was a pain in the ass.

WhatApp will still know who are you talking to and you still have to run their app somewhere so in my opinion setting up the bridge just so I don’t have their app on my phone is simply not worth the hassle.

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Yeah, that goalpost of “what oppression are you talking about?”.

You: EU is an oppressive state!

Me: It’s leading in every possible freedom/free press/human rights index

You: But they are eroding privacy!

Me: They just passed GDPR

You: But they are trying to pass Chat Control now

Me: But Chat Control doesn’t erode privacy

You: Stop moving the goalpost!

EU: very clearly states in the legislation that it has to preserve all the rights granted by GDPR and can’t weaken e2ee in any way

You: oppression!

I’m not moving any goalpost. I’m asking for clarification and you’re realizing that your arguments make no sense.

Like now, erosion of privacy… You do realize that EU passed GDPR not so long ago? Which was pretty revolutionary law when it comes to protecting personal data and privacy of its citizens? That many other countries then copied?

But for you the facts (i.e. that EU has one of the most robust data protection and privacy laws in the world) doesn’t matter, in your mind EU is trying to erode privacy and is oppressing its citizens. You will look at the part of the world where people have the most freedom, find a single thing you don’t like and you start talking about oppression. That’s derangement, plain and simple.

What’s your criticism? That EU is an oppressor? How is it oppressing anyone?

There’s valid criticism and there’s derangement.

Yes, EU is such a terrible oppressor.

I’m so oppressed I think I will apply for asylum in in Africa or Russia.

Is what everyone in the US thought as well few years back. Now you have people in jail for speaking up and police officers routinely stalking their wifes/girlfriends/exes via flock or phone geolocation.

Did they break e2ee encryption and force identity verification online to do this? No? Then I think those issues are unrelated.

I think giving money to a Nazi is wrong no matter how fine the car is.

As you can see I’m not silent about it.

I am sure there are people that support the bill with good intentions but I have lost any fate in the EU to care for the privacy of its citizens.

That’s ok, you can be outraged about it. I’m not. I don’t support Chat Control but I’m also not worried police is going to monitor my chats on Signal looking for messages criticizing the government or that I will be prosecuted for my comments on lemmy. I have better things to be outraged about. You’re just another person on the internet insisting I should be outraged about it but I simply don’t care.

If you think client side scanning is not a massive spy apparatus, you don’t understand the technology.

I think scanning of media is not a massive spy apparatus. Breaking e2ee and scanning of all communications would be. If they want to monitor journalists and protesters by only scanning media they are doing shit job at building their spy apparatus.

The conversations are public.

No they are not, most of social media (if not all) has some direct message mechanism.

Instead of just letting the predators find a different place, create a better reporting system.

Most kids don’t report those things. This is part of the problem and Chat Control does address that by mandating better reporting systems.

As for the first part, Chat Control is not mandating age verification.

It does:

“”" 3.Providers of interpersonal communications services that have identified, pursuant to the risk assessment conducted or updated in accordance with Article 3, a risk of use of their services for the purpose of the solicitation of children, shall take the necessary age verification and age assessment measures to reliably identify child users on their services, enabling them to take the mitigation measures. “”"

Chat Control only talks about identifying child users. I don’t see anything there that mandates storing of IDs. Can you point me to the relevant part of the legislation?

Same thing with CSAM, you don’t get born knowing the phone number of your local CSAM distributor. Law enforcement can monitor for people advertising. They can pose as interested people or distributors.

And I’m sure law enforcement already does that. As I said, privacy advocates think that’s enough and this problem should not be addressed by EU. EU think it should. Chat Control was not approved yet, there are discussions to find the right solution.

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So tell me, am I paranoid to think they have different motivation to breach those and are only using “protecting kids” as an excuse?

I don’t think you’re paranoid, more uninformed.

Chat Control proposed two things:

1. Some, let’s call them, ‘anti-grooming’, common sense rules by default. They propose identifying high risk services in which you can for example search users by age and send them private messages. Those services would be required to do things like age verification to separate children from adults. If services don’t want to do age verification they have to implement measures like not letting users send private messages to everyone, not being able to search by age, limiting what info is visible to other users (pictures? names? locations? interests?), limiting public spaces (do you need common, public chats in Roblox or can it be limited to chats with friends only?) and so on. I think this is way better than hoping youtube vigilantes will look for pedos for views.

2. The other thing they are trying to solve is using e2ee messaging apps to distribute CSAM. Here they don’t want to touch encryption in any way and the proposal is to let providers voluntarily scan media client side. This was proposed as mandatory at first but was changed later. This is the part people don’t like as it indirectly forces providers to scan media client side. Nobody likes it but no one proposed any other solution to limit distribution of CSAM.

So what you’re describing is not very accurate. No one is proposing large scale monitoring using some massive spy apparatus. They do actually propose common sense solutions implemented by individual services (how you search users, who can you contact, etc). No one is also proposing breaking e2ee and monitoring messages, the most controversial part is about client side scanning of media. And the original proposal was different but after talking with many privacy groups it was changed. Now it’s very close to what privacy advocates are proposing with the only problematic part being the client side scanning. Privacy advocates simply propose to ignore the issue of distributing CSAM and EU still wants to address it.

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The doctor writes something down and says:

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Women comes back two weeks later and says:

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