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  • The way that you’ve been presenting it toggles how money is distributed behind “everyone has what they need”, especially when I bring up issues like classism or access to the market.

    We’ve seen it with social security, which acts as as a pseudo UBI for retired people in the USA. People dependent on UBI are generally pushed to lower cost of living areas of the USA due to cost. I expect that to skyrocket when rent control and government housing is pulled for a base salary. As I’ve mentioned before, this is going to exacerbate rich bubbles where wealth is generated or areas with natural amenities.

    Some states have already started experimenting with a cash payment on the condition that they waive any rights to welfare. I can see UBI becoming a part of this; you’ve been paid to live, you just can’t afford to live here.



  • it’s actually easier to find work

    It depends on the job. If you want a job that requires more than a person’s basic needs, you may not be able to do it. You are also going to run into more nuisance job. Imagine how much bigger groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Mormon Church can get when they don’t have to pay for their proselytizers.

    does that not mean that everyone has their basic needs met?

    Define basic needs. Can housing be denied if it is in a highly desirable area? Is clothing restricted based on material and cost? Are those without work going to complain that their basic needs of being treated as a human aren’t being met because they can’t have the quality of life of people are working, and are people who work in demanding jobs going to refuse working because they aren’t being compensated for their time?


  • Not OP, but it can be very detrimental to people’s mental health if they don’t have a role in society. Not a job, but a purpose where their labor provides a benefit to others, like being a caregiver or volunteer. Depression is commonly cited among those who are unemployed, on disability, or recently retired.

    You are also going to see a lot of classism surrounding UBI. After all, I can see a lot of people who are able to work becoming bitter at a portion of society that don’t need to work.







  • The Gulf Monarchies would have sold them oil in the same way they have been doing to the US as hegemon.

    And the USA has significantly intervened in Middle East politics.

    It is likely that Nazi Germany would intervene in the Middle East to secure its oil; the various nation-states were still forming and borders were somewhat volatile. Germany would likely intervene to ensure that the oil flows.

    Also, after a while, the German state would need another infusion of money and cheap Arab oil would be a perfect resource to bring under control of the Nazi state.


  • American culture was a major export during the Great Depression, so it is likely that American culture would continue to be an export unless the USA ceased to exist.

    I would just expect Nazi Germany to censor and control some of America’s cultural exports. Hitler liked Disney movies, for instance. However, jazz was banned.


  • Not OP, but Germany was likely going to experience a deep recession after the war. However, it is likely that the Nazis would push the cost of the economy shrinking to its enslaved peoples. There would likely be French deindustrialization, a Polish genocide, and building of cruel colonial networks around Germany. The Nazi Party could probably survive Hitler; I suspect the political functioning would be similar to China’s Politboro but with a more independent military.

    Italy could possibly see the fascist government fall. Mussolini wasn’t in control of Italy the same way that Hitler was of Germany. I could see a political crisis occur in Italy where the Italian government falls apart, Germany stabilizes Italian possessions, then Germany keeps the Italian possessions after the new government doesn’t adequately swear fealty to Germany.