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Interesting read, thanks

I won’t argue Matthew since either way you look at it, it’s bad. Right there we’ve shown not everything he says is loving.

Yes, everyone had slaves. But slavery is slavery, I’m not interested in the different flavors of slavery or justifying it because everyone did it. Jesus speaking about it and relating his people to slaves while not condemning it seems evil af to me. It’s owning people, it’s clearly wrong.

I don’t misunderstand the difference, but you seem to think Jewish slavery was apparently not that big of a deal. I think owning someone, even if they seem like part of the family, is still wrong. Indentured servitude is wrong. Trying to split hairs is just justifying it. Jesus said “and a servant who knows what the master wants, but isn’t prepared and doesn’t carry out those instructions, will be severely punished.” Doesn’t sound loving to me.

Here are some of the rules for Jewish slaves, and the consequences for hurting them

• A master who knocked out a slave’gs eye or tooth must let him go free. No punishment, you just get to be free without an eye now.

• If a master beat or harmed a slave, the slave could go free. Again no punishment, you just get to actually be free

Kind seems like they aren’t treated fair. Jesus could have said something about that, but he never did. In fact he spoke to it without issue.

Can I see evidence or info you have of those historical accounts?

That’s why we have the separation of church and state

Weeps in Utahn

Matthew 15, yes, shows the point.

I highly disagree on Matthew 10, that seems like strong apologetics. I don’t see how saying he brings the sword means his people will suffer from spreading his word.

John 14, still is gatekeeping. Also theres some irony there with the wealth of the church

On Luke 12, yeah I get it. He also doesn’t condone slavery when having that discussion at all. Yes he uses the metaphor of servants awaiting their master’s return to illustrate accountability and judgment. But damn that’s a bad metaphor, equating followers to slaves. If you read further you also see v47 refers to someone who understands what God expects but willfully ignores it. Jesus warns that such a person will face severe consequences. Kinda like a slave being beaten for not listening, cool… Then in v48 he goes on that if the servant still does wrong but does not fully understand their responsibility. As a result, their punishment is lighter. Again, equating followers to slaves, and still punishing someone for something they don’t understand, very chill. Not only does he seem to not have issues with slavery, he seems to agree with some of the principles of it.

The quotes don’t seem off to me, they seem to express the point I was trying to make. Maybe I could have offered more color or explanation but I stand by what I called out.

I like stoned Jesus. Weed stoned, not biblical punishment stoned that is.

Umm there’s a few

When he spoke of division instead of peace (Matthew 10:34-36, Luke 12:51-53)

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

Acting like a gate keeper of Salvation (John 14:6)

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Slavery and servanthood (Luke 12:47-48)

“The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.”

Gentiles as ‘Dogs’ (Matthew 15:21-28)

When a Canaanite woman asks for help, Jesus initially replies: “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

There’s a few more, but I’m too lazy to keep going. The problem with the bible is it tried to be too many things at once. Especially trying to sell the concept of fear and love in one, which isn’t possible.

Oh %100, there are some shows that gets my full attention. If I’m watching, for example right now, The Expanse then it’s the thing I’m doing haha.

I think there are different levels. I love the office, I’ve watched it through a few times. But sometimes after a long day I like to toss it on and just relax. It’s a comfort show. But having seen it so much, it’s easy to fiddle with a game while I watch. It’s a way to destress after work for me. It’s not that I don’t like the show, I’m just experiencing it a different way. As comfort background viewing, apposed to when I watch a show I really enjoy and am seeing for the first time.

This. My wife’s brother isn’t a bad looking dude. I’d say maybe a solid 6. But he is exclusively attracted to women who are models or could be. A girl could be at a bar that most would find gorgeous, way out of his league, and he would be physically repulsed by her. He would nit pick every aspect of her build, hair, etc. He’s currently 35 and alone, living in his dad’s basement. Oh and he is a corrections officer, so there’s that.