I’m sure you would crackkker.

Death to Amerikkka 🔥 🔥 🔥

This implies that the democrats aren’t on the fascist side. That is clearly not true. The antifascist side has always been the left wing(communists and anarchists). If you support the “nice fascists” or the “mean fascists” you’re still a fascist.

I have been neutral at worst. Why should I go out of my way to grovel be extra nice to you who has done nothing but spout off arrogantly about things you clearly don’t understand. Also I have pointed out issues and even recommended some reading across my other comments. Grow up.

Ok so you haven’t. You should. Also it’s a bad habit to lie to act like you know more than you do.

Cowbee “have you studied marxism”

You “I have”

???

The PRC was founded and has been led by the CPC for over 70 years. Why hasn’t it become just as bad as the capitalists? Why does anti corruption still reach the highest rungs of power?

It’s almost like a socialist state led by a communist party is qualitatively different to a capitalist one under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

Ok. So capitalism observably doesn’t work. And you have decided a proletarian state is impossible. So what is your solution? Is organising futile? Do we just wait for a magic spark of simultaneous global revolution? Do we wait for the world to end? Is it all just futile and we kill ourselves now?

You are very invested in idealist “human nature” metaphysics for someone who allegedly studied Marxism.

There is so much wrong with such a short comment it’s genuinely quite impressive.

You should read:

Lenin’s What Is To Be Done?, The State and Revolution, Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder

Stalin’s Foundations of Leninism, The Role of the Communist Party in the Proletarian Revolution

Chairman Mao’s On Practice and On Contradiction, Serve the People, On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People, Combat Liberalism, Oppose Book Worship and 红宝书 (especially chapter 1).

You can also look at modern China and how nearly a billion people were lifted from abject poverty. How the party has over 80% support. How infrastructure and the people are invested in without the need to wring them for profit. The party is neither all powerful nor perfect it is simply the tool through which the people wield their power.

Voting for a genocide backing fascist because they are more personable than the cruel mean fascist rather than doing anything constructive makes you a fascist. The real leftist option is not voting for fascists and then yes ideally overthrowing the capitalist system(sort of a core part of being a leftist).

Looks pretty accurate for those of us outside the imperial core.

I guess the saying holds.

If you can remember what happened over a week ago that makes you a tankie

You’re not “keeping it intact to prevent harm.” You’re keeping it intact because you benefit from it.

The US led system isn’t something you stabilize and then dismantle later. It only exists through massive violence. Every extra year you preserve it is more sanctions, more bombs, more dead people.

And “after Trump” is always the line. It was “after Reagan”, “after Bush,” then “after Trump,” then it will be “after the next Republican.” There is always a new emergency to justify doing nothing to even attempt to slow the immisiration machine.

Nobody else can fix your chauvinism for you. That takes introspection. You need to start considering the rest of us as fully human whose suffering is not secondary to your comfort.

The facts are: Both parties support the imperialist empire. Both fund genocide, sanctions, coups, and proxy wars. Both uphold capitalism and the systematically broken policing system. Both expand surveillance and repression. “Voting blue” has never stopped any of this, it just puts a nicer face on it, the equivalent of sticking a smiling face sticker on the orphan crushing machine.

If you actually want to do something: Stop treating Democrats as harm reduction. Consider third-party or abstention instead of laundering war crimes with your vote. Join a communist organization. Study theory. Do material work in your community. Organize. Build power locally. Arm yourself. Do literally anything other than vote for a war criminal every 2-4 years.

If you want to vote, vote just stop trying to justify yourself as super moral for voting for the personable war criminal over the more openly cruel one.

You’re being chauvinist. You may not want to admit it, but it’s the only way this position makes sense.

Your “lesser evil” logic only works if you implicitly treat people in the imperial periphery as expendable, as if our suffering matters less than your domestic anxieties. Your entire framework centers US comfort while mass death abroad becomes background noise.

Who backed the genocide in Gaza? Who destroyed Libya and turned it into a failed state with open slave markets? Who armed proxies that helped give rise to ISIS in Syria? Who backed decades of rape and mass killing in Afghanistan?

It was bipartisan. Every time. Enthusiastically bipartisan.

Permanent war, sanctions, coups, and the immiseration of the Global South are the foundation of the system. Democrats and Republicans agree on this completely.

So when you say “one leads to fascism and the other leads back to the status quo,” you leave out the key point: the status quo already depends on mass death elsewhere. Your stability is subsidized by bombs, blockades, and starvation.

Yes, Republicans are more “meaner” at home. Democrats use nicer language. That’s PR. Democrats provide legitimacy for the same imperial machine while managing the decline more “politely”.

From Palestine to Haiti, there is no meaningful lesser evil just continuous catastrophe.

Your argument boils down to: as long as things don’t get too bad too fast here, everything else is negotiable.

That’s peak chauvinism.

Well you’d be SEEING less thanks to the likelihood of copmala having way better pr but in reality us of the periphery and USian minorities would still be subject to much the same just with a better spin for the Euro-Americans.

Remember Obama destroyed Libya. The Clinton’s bombed Yugoslavia and Iraq as well as the entire Somali debacle.

In reality if you see non white suffering as counting odds are the net would be within the error bars if you graphed it.

Look I understand a lot of where you’re coming from given your background, however:

Basically everything you “know” about politics and political economy is seemingly somewhere between wildly exaggerated and outright fairytale, and you don’t yet grasp the scale or sophistication of the narrative control you’re actually living under.

You say you prefer to know you’re being lied to, but in the West you usually don’t. That’s the point. Through ownership, framing, omission, and repetition, discourse is managed in the boardroom long before anything reaches you. I already linked you Inventing Reality by Michael Parenti for a reason: every story shown or not shown, every angle chosen, exists to shape what feels “normal” or “thinkable.” That ideological hegemony is deeper and more effective than the cartoon version of censorship projected onto China and socialist states in general.

Your second paragraph still rests on the same misunderstanding, communism isn’t about silencing people to “keep the peace,” it’s about suppressing reactionary and bourgeois forces so they can’t sabotage collective development as they have repeatedly proven themselves to do historically as their class interest is diametrically opposed to the interests of the masses.

Finally, this rise of conservatism(fascism) you’re talking about isn’t some temporary cultural mood swing, it’s capitalism in decay. When imperialism can’t externalize crisis anymore, its violence turns inward. That’s why you’re feeling it now. The teeth of empire always come home eventually. If you’re serious about understanding any of this, you need to move past liberal intuitions and actually study political economy. Hope without analysis just leaves you disarmed. You really should read the books/articles I linked in the last reply.

I was right you’re one of those. Best of luck to you in life I hope you don’t regret it when you get what you want.

This has to be trolling right? There’s no way you misunderstand the issue “tankies” have with electoralism this badly unless you’re doing it purposefully.

Why waste time canvassing and voting and taking part in the system that is from its inception designed to keep you down? Take that time and effort and put it into something meaningful like organising a militant party of those with theoretical grounding to build up a counter power structure and make real change.