Luckily I know at least some philosophical basics, so I do think I understand your talking points. (And essentially Descartes’ cogito ergo sum, lead me on this extreme path of epistemological masochism.)

Infinity is actually a very good example I think, that shows us we are perceiving something weirdly. There exist no measurable, conrete infinity in the physical universe, as far as we know; even the space itself has its limits. Yet we understand the concept of infinity, so it exists in some form, in the reality we are perceiving. But then, we can have infinities that are bigger and smaller than each other… the way we are perceiving this is quite paradoxal! Or, at least it appears to us as such.

And be love now, really is a wonderful line of thinking. I fully agree, that it really does not matter, what is the Real Truth or if it exists at all, since all we have is ourselves, right now. If we all focused more on loving and less on all the bad shit, our human realities would definitely improve in multiple ways… but we are flawed beings, so sometimes we can only try… the path towards Good is a difficult one, that I also often struggle with.

Oh yes, I cannot claim I am in any way an expert on antinatalism, nor do I follow their ideology (I mean, I cannot have children, so I guess I technically do…?). I just take their side against efilism, as the latter can be extremely harmless, and I would rather have the still life-respecting antinatalists dominate the discussions about the subjects in question, than let edgy anti-lifers, to gain more visibility and support.

I also appreciate your views, it is an interesting perspective to hear. Would you classify it as panpsycism, or does that focus too much on the consciousness part, in comparison?
I lean more towards just the weird metaphysical ideas, and coil that way to that another side of nihilistic views, where I just do not trust human perception of reality. Everything that exists to us, might be completely flawed, and what we perceive as absolute truths or assign as existing things and concepts (like math, or the concept of a mindl), might not be anything else than our delusions - we are unable to know, anyway. This of course leads to all the problems of impossibility of real knowledge and all that, but as we cannot exist outside our own perceived realities - be it separate beings, or all just one - we are just forced to live in that uncertainty. Everything that exists might be just physical things, our thoughts nothing but electric impulses, and we are just having the perception of them being something else… or maybe that is just delusion as well, too, and we just cannot comprehend what form of existence the reality is, as to us it, is how it is. This way nothing really matters, or more like mattering itself is just a human concept - yet everything inside human perspection still matters, to us.

I think it is actually important to draw the distinction between antinatalism and efilisim. Antinatalisim at its core has the strong idea of how an individual should be able to choose for themselves. That is their whole justification for the thought, that they do not want to have kids, since the kids cannot choose that for themselves. That high value being assigned to personal choice, then, is in direct opposition with the dark goal, where the efilist ideology on the other hand seems to almost unavoidably lead: the idea, that everything should die, and that it should be helped to happen.

Personally I am probably a bit too nihilistic, and perceive, that we humans just tend to assign too much value on thoughts, that only exist in the human experience of reality. Antinatalism sounds like a valid ideology, if you care the most about individual’s right to choose for themself. But there are other things, that people might value more, depending on what they care about.

Oh yes, sadly we have been on a crash course for a long while now, and I do not believe we will correct it either. We should obviously not stop trying, but personally I lost hope, when people around me did not care at all, when I learned about the climate change in the early 2000s, and got really into protecting the environment and all. But I do find some solace in the thought, that life continues, even when we do not.

I don’t actually believe life will cease completely.

I saw some documentary thing, that claimed, that even if a huge asteroid glassed the whole planet, the heat would not be able to reach deep enough, for long enough, to kill all the microbes. So life itself may not die, until this planet is swallowed by the expanding sun. If that makes it feel any better.

You are probably confusing antinatalists and efilists. The antinatalism movement is about not having children, because they perceive it as immoral, as the kids cannot choose being born, and being alive means you are doomed to suffer. That position does not necessarily take stances on what you should do, when you are already alive; that requires some other ideological standpoints. Efilists on the other hand, are the edgy (and dangerous) ones, that think everything would be better as dead.

No, put them all in a pile, and then assign them randomly to each country. Then everyone will be equally, extremely confused.

Northern dialects

Voe ku miä uompii kuulo iästä puoloo iha. Täs onnii aenakkii kolometta murrettakkii varmoo sekasinnii, kup uon monessa paekkoo asununna, jos miä pelekästee ommoo pitäjästä huastelisinnii nip miut pystyhys iha kartaltakkii osottammaa, ja emmiä ny semmottee ryhy.

Voe voe, essiä pien kuul minnuu suap loekattuu yhytääp tuommottiilla ininöellä, taes tuop aeka palajo sinnuu satutellakkii ku noepittee ilikeellä. Mut sie alloetkii huastelloo miullep nii rumastikkai ny, eh eip tästäkköö ennee oekee mittee taiakkaa tullakkoo. Kuulehha mie pistännii miu hupiva tähö viel, ja si siä voet miut esteepi vaekka kup noen pistöö siulla vihaks oekkee. Piäs siäkii hauskoo päevettä! :)

Miulla onniinna par tuntihiha ollunna jop iha mahottomma hauskoop, ku näetä kup etteeki Kuukkelille syöttellööpi, ni melekeet kaik männööp iha pisi vittuva. Miä laitannii tähäp ny kuulkoos mittee miä kirijottelinniip ja si mitteepä tuop Kuukkel tämmöttiistä huastelop.

I’ve already had great fun for a couple hours, since feeding these especially to Google, almost everything gets all fucked up. I’ll put what I was writing here, and then what Google says about that.

I’m happy to say that for a few hours it was even more fun, when you see that you can’t feed Kuukkeli, and all the noise is so fucking loud. I’m going to put this here and listen to you, not me, but you, not Kuukkeli, from this mess.

Voe mahoton ku tuo taespa männännii polosella ihannii tuntehin astikkai, antooks vua ku emmiä ny sinnuu loekata meanannu, kuha huastella tahhoi. Kuuloha, emmiä uskonnakkaa kui surukiasti tuop tekoviksu oekee näetä tämmöttii muruhejuttuloeta kienteleepi, paitti ny ku ommin silimin oekee toisti ku lähinnii testaalommaa eh eihä tuop ymmärräkkää hevovittuakkoo :)

you don’t seem to have a natural grasp of languages and communication the same way I do

Hey, you are seriously claiming that “I don’t see Al at all, I don’t think I’ll help you with my words.” is a somewhat working translation for “in these times of AI, not even speaking in dialect helps”, so please do excuse me, for not believing you to be very good at even reading comprehension, at this point :)

Miäp vähö kokkeeli ja taitoop ollakkii etteipuo tuommottet tekoviksut massiinat oekee ossoo muruteitap kientelläkkää. Suattap tuo johtuukki kueipuo hiriviästikä tämmöttii kirijoteltunna tälleelä tännö verekkoop :) Jos kukkoop koettap suome murutehia kientellä nii miä voekii huastoop ny etteenä oekee mitteep sua aekasikskoo, eh työ paremmii suattep jos kyssyytte iha vua jolotaa kaun savolaeseltap.

But now you’ve replied twice. That’s a pattern! They can track you now. Oh why, oh why didn’t you change your username…?!

Now that is just in bad faith, and goes into the “why bother, I have nothing to hide” territory.

It’s just somewhat wrong

No, the meaning of both sentences is completely wrong, and the only words translated correctly are “AI” and “help”.

So why not make a new user each and every time?

That is… that is what I am saying you should do? VPN, email-masking, new accounts at least once a year and deleting all history from older one, and never using the same usernames, is the bare minimum. That will not protect you from surveillance, or being found, but it will make it harder, for internet randoms especially. And if you have to have accounts with names and pictures, for work or something, always keep them completely separate from accounts you actually use for freetime, and stuff.

I don’t see Al at all, I don’t think I’ll help you with my words.

Very wrong translation though, so surprisingly that still works too.

For me personally, it is frankly more about paranoia towards other people. I am transgendered, so I have learned to always be vary, there are no pictures of me online. I do not have any social media accounts, outside relatively anonymous stuff like lemmy. And even here I would never give out an actual email, or any other personal details that can be easily tracked. I know that while you are on the internet, you cannot really escape the surveillance (except maybe on tor, but yes that is not so simple either), but that does not mean you should make things easier, for any random person, company or anything. I do not think it is good if anyone can read years worth of your personal comments.

Eik näe AI aekana mikkee, eiees muruteella puhummine autakkaa ennee juu

Taking care of yourself is very good, but just in case, for anyone reading this - watch out for the eating disorders lurking behind, they can take over quite stealthily. Choose a healthy BMI or weight number and stay at that, never under, that has been my defence against anorexia taking over quite succesfully. If you are thinking about how to be healthy constantly, also read up on orthorexia.

You should always change accounts once in a while, just for online safety alone. Creating a long history of comments gives a lot of data about you, and the longer, the more. And that is not a good thing in these AI-data-mining days.