queermunist she/her

You do know that until 2100, there is still very little effect of climate change?

The actual timescale for most of the effects is in the span of hundreds of years. Because the catastrophic effects are so far in the future is why people do so little about it.

There was no attempt to compare this to anything. It’s a stand alone claim, which you then later attempted to contextualize.

Let’s not claim this is my fault because I don’t read carefully enough. You made an imprecise statement and I corrected it.

No shit, but that doesn’t mean there’s “very little effect.” It doesn’t take a lot of warming to cause billions of people to die.

You do know that until 2100, there is still very little effect of climate change?

We’re seeing effects now.

Well obviously the tropical Antarctic archipelago will be habitable for humans.

That doesn’t require that the size of the fine scales to the size of the corporation. The size of the fine could also scale to the size of the harm. A cap means that a company can inflict trillions of dollars of harm but only pay the fine up to the capped amount. That will usually lead to larger companies paying larger fines because they inflict larger harms, but not always.

But you just don’t want to engage with the topic of caps at all.

No, the OP is proposing there shouldn’t be a cap. There’s no “whether or not it is capped” proposed, the OP just opposes caps.

So this comment is just off-topic? The OP is about caps, and whether they are reasonable.

Okay, but then what purpose does a cap serve? The amount of harm doesn’t have a cap, why should the fine?

Tracing can bring people joy, but, it’s not the same. You’re cheating yourself out of an experience. You’ll never be as proud of anything your AI agent makes as a real artist will be proud of their own work, because you didn’t make it.

Or, to put it another way: you ordered a sandwich at Subway. You told the worker just how you like it, picked all the toppings, etc. Eating the sandwich might bring you joy, even! But, did you make a sandwich? Obviously not.

You aren’t making anything. You’re tracing.

Is that not a sunk cost fallacy?

The sunk cost fallacy would be “we’ve already invested so much into AI, we have to keep investing into AI to make it worthwhile!” As long as we’re not pouring more resources into AI there isn’t an issue. An AI model that is already trained won’t be untrained because we stop using it, after all.

It’s like freeganism.

This is the best use for AI image generators imo: throwaway meme slop that isn’t really supposed to look very good, wouldn’t have been made otherwise, doesn’t make any money off of other people’s labor, and did not take away a labor opportunity/labor power from anyone. It’s not like the AI companies are making money off of this, not even close, they’re all bleeding to death.

Oh it’s wasting water and electricity? The water and electricity were already wasted by training, you can’t un-waste the water or electricity. In fact, if you refuse to use the AI model they trained then the water and electricity were wasted for nothing!

Oh it’s plagiarism? Oh not precious property rights, I didn’t realize we were fucking capitalists protecting the sanctity of copyright.

Not specifically. I’m referring to the fact that any assigned reading in a public school is, by definition, assigned by the government.

Do I need a list? Come on, I’m sure you learned in school how eeeeevil Stalin is and how he was just as bad as Hitler. Or worse than Hitler! Then you just kept on believing the Animal Farm narrative, because you trusted the lies your teacher told you.

So speaking of, I recommend Lies My Teacher Told Me as a primer, so you can understand how woefully miseducated a bourgeois education will leave you. It has plenty of examples of the lies that the ideological state apparatus pumps into its schools.

And if you want to actually learn some real history about Stalin, there’s now an English translation of Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend. That’s definitely a heavier book than Lies, though, I’m still working through it.

Have you ever read a history book that wasn’t assigned to you by your government?

You’re probably familiar with the US Civil War, yes?

The Confederacy declared independence and established itself as a new nation, the Union took exception to that and fought them.

Was that imperialism?

The extension of a nation’s authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political dominance over other nations.

This is such a broad definition that it becomes meaningless.

This is kind of like the “you won’t have a calculator with you all the time” argument

It’s not even that! Students without a calculator don’t see their test scores crater, the work just takes longer.

It did not have a significant impact.

Then this is obviously different, because we are seeing a significant impact on test scores. Students that use AI test poorly.

I see short/choppy sentences, but not a lot of other slop writing indicators. What are you on about?