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If the admins first step isn’t to talk to the community, then yeah, it’s time to leave. They unilaterally made this decision and then forced it on to everyone. That’s a bad sign!

Outside of .ml and beehaw, what admins are that active and communicative with users in general?

Maybe that’s a problem?

This is why it’s important to actually know who the admins are and what their goals are, rather than just picking instances based on vibes. Being a Star Trek nerd isn’t actually a good reason to pick a Star Trek instance.

The admins demand that stupid conspiracy theories be allowed a platform. They shouldn’t be. They make the user experience worse. No one wants to deal with annoying nonsense from morons, it makes dissensions a drag. This is a growth-at-all-costs move by the admins which is only going to make .world worse. And for what? Who does this help? Certainly not normal users who don’t want to listen to conspiracy theories or have them pollute their feeds.

I’m trying to be polite to the admins because evidently they care more about that then the user experience, but this is a terrible move and will not help .world at all and I have absolutely no idea why you’re defending it.

Find an email service that doesn’t do shit like that every year.

.world has always been bad, this isn’t an example of “every single server is bad and they’ll all do bad things every year and so you should just accept that the service will always be bad and always get worse.” There are actually good servers. They exist.

If your email service started doing shit you didn’t like, such as forcing you to deal with spam email instead of blocking it, then you’d move to a different service.

It sounds like it means users are forced to interact with shitty content because the mods won’t remove it.

What I understand is the new rules are to force us to deal with random nonsense conspiracy theories. We are encouraged to have drawn out discussions with concern trolls who should just get banned. Do you have any idea how long a troll can draw out a discussion while still remaining polite? It’s fun for them to make us patiently explain to them that the Earth is round.

The purpose is like email, you can access multiple servers controlled by different groups from your own server controlled by people you’ve vetted.

But that’s just it - when these different groups betray us we are enabled by federation to move to a different server. In this case, the admins failed the vetting process.

And I wouldn’t. Federation is supposed to make it easy to migrate. That was the whole point.

I guess we just disagree about the purpose of federation.

The admins made their new policy very clear and people have already expressed their outrage about it. The discussion is kind of over.

And that requires a lot of coordination, both with the user base to make sure the jump goes well for them and probably with the admins of the instance they are jumping to in order to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

A community is intentionally destroying itself to make a new one somewhere else. That’s a larger impact than you are making it out to be.

That speaks more to a lack of community, doesn’t it? If it’s an actual community then it should be possible to get a message out to everyone that they’re moving and make sure no one gets lost. If they can’t coordinate without destroying themselves then I think this is a deeper problem that we need to address.

Up until a week ago, .world was acceptable.

The signs were there. I think it is possible to understand who the admins are, what they believe, and what kind of community they are trying to build. The .world instance was always meant to be a reddit clone. That should have been a red flag.

This, too, speaks to a lack of community. How can you call it community if you don’t even know who your admins are?

Why would one instance keep the data from a group of people that left and whose community is now locked? Or maybe the admins give mod privileges to a different set of mods and now you’ve got two competing groups.

Fair. I guess my idea of using a bot to migrate all the content is the other option, but I don’t know if a tool like that exists. This, along with the lack of true community, are things for us to think about for the future.

Are all major community members in Lemmys that are federated to where the community is being moved?

Depends on where they move, doesn’t it? Obviously if a community moves to hexbear then .world users won’t be able to access it (and that’s .world’s fault). But there’s no need to do that? They can just move to a federated instance and stay connected.

What happens to the community’s data, since it won’t get carried over?

Does anything have to happen to that data? Why not just leave it behind as a record? I guess they could go through the effort of using a bot to repost everything in the new community if they wanted to preserve everything and not leave it on the old instance.

What prevents this issue from happening again in a new instance?

Pick a good instance and it won’t happen.

.world was always shit, anyone could have seen this coming. It’s always just been a reddit instance.

For a platform that is meant to communicate, it seems funny that a lot of people’s gut reactions to coordination problems is to cut all ties and leave.

Again, the whole point of federation is that we don’t cut all ties. It’s not like moving communities requires defederating from .world

But it doesn’t? I moved from .world to .ml last year but I can still go to .world communities to argue with people, just like before. Migration actually should be the first choice.

It’s really not. The whole purpose of federation is that you can just go to whatever instance you like best.

Did sunlight stop the Nazi problem on Twitter?

We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments

Yup, when I think of tankies I think about the flat earth conspiracy. 🙄

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