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  • The highest I’ve ever seen someone get into without specific education was a department manager.

    I’ve seen people do it when I worked at Whole Foods fairly often, but the work conditions worsened as you went up in some pretty big ways. Once you hit the level of department manager, you could be swapped into working at any store within a 50 mile radius of your home store, without any option to refuse if you wanted to keep the position, so having a car was basically mandatory, though they didn’t swap them around that much if you were doing a good job where you were. If you went one level up to assistant store manager, swaps got way more frequent, and you were salaried. Store managers seemed pretty stable in their locations, provided they were putting up good numbers, but them and their assistant managers both had to work some pretty crazy hours. On the plus side, they did get pretty sweet bonuses. My store manager at one location would sometimes earn more in bonuses than he would in his salary. This was all pre-Amazon takeover, though, so I’m sure things have gotten worse in the interim. Heck, they started making it more shit while I was still there in the bid to get Amazon to buy them.

    Point is, even in companies where it is possible to go from the shop floor to upper management, there’s always a catch to it.


  • Not just that, but you’ll also experience a good deal of social pressure from your friends and family, or future co-workers. Some can be of the patently ridiculous variety, like “Oh, that’s a man’s job, why would you want to try and do that?” but you also get some that can be well-meaning and grounded somewhat in reality, like the potential risk for violence and/or sexual violence that a female cab driver would be perceived as more exposed to. These can be mitigated to an extent, if you find the right niche to go into. For example, I would think the risk for violence would be lower if you were just doing airport runs, or medical transport for the elderly, rather than being the late night driver picking people up from clubs and bars to bring them to their private residences.

    For a job that has an old boy’s club formed, a new, female employee can also often expect to have to deal with regular harassment, whether it’s old-fashioned, paternalistic sexism, or active efforts to drive away women that the men working there view as encroaching on their private domain. I’m not excusing this behavior or saying it’s something women should put up with, but that is the simple reality of many career fields society views as “men’s work,” and knowing this in advance will often discourage women from even trying to get a job in these fields, absent credible signs that the company they’re considering is making substantial and concrete efforts to change this culture and make the work place not be misogynistic, or some other pressing urge (i.e. “I can’t get a job somewhere else where I live that will pay my bills and avoid homelessness and starvation, so I guess I’ll put up with the harassment and misogyny until I can move elsewhere or something better opens up.”) that means they’re willing to overlook it. Rather perversely, the men who see women leave the job in short order due to the men’s behavior, rather than the actual work or work-related conditions, often take it as confirmation that women aren’t cut out for that line of work. Meanwhile, those women who persevere, but don’t take shit from their male coworkers and dare to make them actually face consequences for their own words and actions will frequently be maligned as “bitches” and socially isolated at work.

    It’s hardly surprising women don’t actively seek out to subject themselves to such conditions on a regular basis, absent some external influence that either seeks to ameliorate the hostile environment they face, or else compels them to tolerate it as the least terrible option available.