I understand and even agree with some parts of your point here, but:
By being born as citizen of a country, you automatically gain lots of benefits like protection from violence or healthcare.
Yeah, being a US citizen gets you neither of those things in reality unless you’re rich & powerful. I guarantee the people they’d be kidnapping here in the US & sending to war aren’t the rich kids.
Since you seem especially concerned about the moral aspects of the subject, and cite scandalous abuses, the question is unavoidable: why you are so exercised by Ukraine’s situation when Russia is far, far, far worse on all these fronts? It’s odd.
Ukraine is supposed to be the democracy. Forced conscription is not something that I believe democracies engage in. What if Ukraine started requiring women to have one baby a year, and if they refused, they force bred them. Would you be okay with that?
I bring up conscription because I’m opposed to it, that is why. That includes Russia doing it, but Ukraine is supposed to be the democracy not the dictatorship. I’m not going to look at this & think to myself, well Russia is worse so even if Ukraine started force-breeding women to create more future soldiers then it is okay cause Russia is bad. I can understand Putin is a fascist dictator, but Ukraine forcing people to war through kidnapping/beating/jail/etc. is not good either.
But are you aware that Russia has had multiple rounds of conscription? Have you considered that many of Russia’s hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers were not properly supplied and used cynically as cannon fodder against Ukraine - and were therefore obviously deployed under some form of duress? Either as prison convicts or press-ganged off the street in poor remote parts of the Russian Federation that nobody in Moscow cares about.
Yes, am I’m not okay with that either. I’m not okay with conscription in Russia, Israel, South Korea, Ukraine or anywhere. I find it odd that I say I’m not okay with conscription, and you and many others chime in with things like… “Did you know Russia has conscription?” Do you think Ukraine should be more like the authoritarian dictatorship in Russia, is that what you’re trying to say?
Let’s remind ourselves who is the aggressor here, and who is responsible for the vast majority of the war crimes in this pointless war that could end tomorrow if Russia called off its illegal invasion.
I agree with this, but it is a bit beside the point in regards to conscription. Russia should call of its illegal invasion, but Ukraine should also not be involved in forcing people to go to war against their will else get kidnapped/beat/jailed or worse.
In the light of all this, why would you be so concerned about the aggressed party’s respect for legal procedures as defined under its own laws?
Prob because forcing people to war through kidnappings/beatings/jailing/etc is human rights violations IMO and one wrong doesn’t justify another. Have you read about internment camps in the US before? Do you think those were justified cause Japan was the aggressor?
Perhaps it’s time you stopped watching this “bunch of videos” and starting getting your information from reputable sources instead.
I already explained I assumed some of them could be propaganda, but I did additional research & posted 2 links that include plenty of additional reliable sources. Are you suggesting now that PBS is not a reputable source? Or that Ukraine doesn’t do conscription? It turns out many of those things in the videos actually DO happen. I assumed they were propaganda, but it turns out that this is really happening.
Are you in favour of an independent Ukraine if they must use conscription to maintain that independence?
If the people are being forced against their will then that is not independence. The definition of independent is not being subjected to control by others. At that point they’ve just substituted one authoritarian instead of another.
I am very much against conscription.
I still support Ukraine’s independence
And another comment of mine since that wasn’t enough for you people:
So if Trump forces people to go to war by having police jail & beat them, you’ll support it?
I am very much against conscription.
Did I say I am only against Ukrainian conscription? No I did not.
I am very much against conscription.
I still support Ukraine’s independence
I think Putin is fascist dictator. I literally said I am very much against conscription & I still support Ukraine’s independence, but yet here you are ignoring it like an unprogrammed NPC that can’t imagine being critical of an action by Ukraine without someone being a Putin apologist. Let me be clear again since me claiming to be against conscription wasn’t enough for you. I am against conscription in Ukraine, Russia, Israel, South Korea & anywhere that does it. It almost always leads to more fascism & not less.
I highly doubt this is a full fledged Google Docs alternative yet, but if it is then I’m switching ASAP. Google Sheets has some things LibreOffice doesn’t offer but both are kinda antiquated IMO.
Not sure if this is paywalled, but if it is there are plenty of other news stories or you can access the court documents on Court Listener:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/08/technology/sam-altman-sister-lawsuit.html
I agree Trump has expressed similar support for Israel, or even more so in some ways that is scary to think about. My beef is that when it came to the election that Democrats lost the moral high ground in so many ways. A recent poll indicating that up to 13 million more Americans would have showed up to vote if Kamala had broke with Biden on the subject, and I’m sure her praising the Cheney’s didn’t help either. Biden’s position on the Israel/Palestine conflict was deeply unpopular, with around 80% being against it. Kamala also had to go around touting how much corporate CEOs loved her & was afraid to go on any media like TYT cause she wanted all her questions scripted in advance. Not a good look all around.
Israel wasn’t an ally of, “I’m a proud Zionist,” Biden? You do realize that Biden administration continually vetoed resolutions in favor of Israel… that Anthony Blinken ignored even the US’s own advisors saying that there was a humanitarian crisis? You do realize Biden can veto bills as well? That Biden could have put pressure on Israel & not publicly claim unconditional support of Israel?
Did you vote for the the genocide supporter Kamala Cheney?
I guess Democrats should have picked a candidate that had the moral high ground then. Nothing you said matters when Biden helped fund mass murder & Kamala Cheney couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently, other than putting Republicans in her cabinet
I guess Democrats are doomed for eternity then if you want to blame a majority of voters, rather than figure out why Democrats lost so many votes.
Can you point to an example of each of those on here?
Maybe you just believe anyone who questions things is a Trump supporter
But I have bone spurs and my parents are rich. Also, what part of me not being okay with conscription anywhere do you not understand? America isn’t a true Democracy at this point, more like a corporatocracy mixed with oligarchy. We’re also heading towards, if not already there, authoritarianism as well.