China is a socialist state that established the dictatorship of the working class

Weird, because I don’t seem to think there’s any of the working class liberated there, like at all?

Just more capitalism. When do you think there will be some working class liberation there?

I wonder what goes through your mind when you say state capitalism

I imagine a system that is capitalist, and ran fully by the state, at the best of oligarchs. Which is exactly what China is.

Capitalism is a system where the means of production are privately owned, and people who own the means of production exploit the workers who sell their labor to increase their wealth.

Yep, China ticks all of those boxes.

In contrast, state owned industry does not exist to create wealth for a capital owning class, and the work that’s done has direct social value.

Ah yes, we should let all the people of China know that all that wealth is actually theirs, and they are fit to use it as they deem fit, even if Xi disagrees.

It’s quite obvious that you have not based on the fact that you don’t understand the basics of the subject you’re debating.

Get back to me when China actually liberates anyone in the working class.

If you understood China at all then you would know that they are in fact communists. But it’s very clear that you have an incredibly superficial understanding of the subject.

Ok, I’ll bite. What makes you think China is a communist state?

I do know what communism is, and I also understand that the fact that we live in a world dominated by capitalism that nations led by communists must exist within.

How does one have “nations led by communists” that are fully state-capitalist societies?

Seriously spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of clowning around here.

Oh, I have spent a LOT of time educating myself… Its the main reason I understand that China hasn’t even been socialist since the 1970s or so, Russia hasn’t been a socialist society since the late 1910’s, and the way of the socialist revolution never starts with “Making a state bigger”, because it almost immediately gets usurped for a new set of oligarchs that love using socialist words.

Oh, I understand China enough to know they aren’t communists. Communism isn’t “Whenever the state does things” or “Whenever the state gets bigger”.

I’m sure you can figure out how google works all on your own

I’m sure I can, however, I cannot see any large levers of power either of those governments have over people not inside of their national borders.

And, to be honest, I’m not sure how much either of them are “communist”, since communism requires a stateless society in order to be considered “communist”.

Like, do you even know what communism is?

Communists haven’t held power in China in a very long time… If they did, they wouldn’t be a state capitalist society.

And how have the Vietnamese and Cuban governments censored your speech lately? And what reach would you say they have on social media?

Where and who are these communists you’re referring to?

I asked like this, because it’s generally a hallucination, as communists have no real power over others, anywhere on this planet. So, it’s a logical impossibility that you could have experienced any kind of censorship done by communists.

US Government doesn’t own AT&T, and yet, they have their fiber splice in AT&T’s building, in order to spy on all international communications.

because the communists,

Show us on the doll where the communists touched you…

Which ones aren’t toeing the line, and allowing discussion of Israel being engaged in genocide, without their content being taken down?

I had 4 posts taken down on FB for “Anti-semitism” because I was sharing a video covering the genocide…

there are plenty of other media outlets that were and still are reporting on Gaza

Who?

And I mean who, as in creators putting out that content covering it, that actually has reach with the general public?

I dunno… I was informed a lot on TikTok. Like, 2020-2022 I had a whole lot of “I was X years old when I learned this…” thanks to Black and Brown creators who got a voice on TikTok that was lacking anywhere else.

I dunno… TikTok is the reason I now know about:

• Rosewood Massacre
• Black Wall St
• Tulsa Massacre
• 1985 MOVE Bombing
• Indigenous Customs for my neighboring nations
• Haluci Nation (An indigenous artist)

Just to name some highlights. These really could never gain traction on FB, enough to catch my attention. And then, lo and behold, we have Black and Brown content creators putting out good knowledge for those who just didn’t know…