Oh, there’s gonna be some opinions in this thread.
All I’ve seen from Hexbear is class consciousness shit, but everybody else has made it the key point of their online existence to rage on them and do all the garbage they accuse hexbear of. 🤷
Sorry y’all can’t adequately explain why giving every cent of the economy to three people is a good thing.
EDIT: I hear what people are saying but it sounds like, from my limited experience of looking at posts pushed to me from there, that people are using the actions of a few to discredit the beliefs and opinions of everyone they disagree with.
EDIT2: LOL @ the people calling me names then blocking me for disagreeing with them. Thought that was Hexbear did, not you EnLigHtEnEd TyPeS JFC 😂
They openly deny the Tianamen Square massacre happened.
For me it was the brain dead disgusting coments they make about Ukraine and the war.
You mean our informed comments that actually value the lives of Ukrainians?
No I mean your disgusting uninformed coments that don’t value life at all and make fun out of people that are fighting for their lives.
If it was me I would simply not die for a country thst didn’t appreciate me. Follow your bliss I guess tho
Because you have no idea what war is and how it feels when foreign people come to your country and kill your friends and family. That tends to change peoples minds what is worth fighting for.
I would simply not die for a country thst didn’t appreciate me
Fucking hell. Tell me you have never had real hardships or had to make an impossible but necessary decision in your life.
“Uh, I’m super smart so I would just say no to fighting back if I was being murdered cause I would just stop being murdered. I’m so smart”
You are a child with simple views in a complicated world and that’s the kind of argument you expect from a 12 year old. Which is hexbear in a nutshell.
Per the other reply to you, you might recall when I went over our consensus perspective on Ukraine, how it is motivated by understanding the best possible outcome for Ukrainian lives and contrasting this with the bloodthirsty liberal approach you’ve supported (all dressed up in “concern”).
Is it the “uninformed” and life-devaluing comments you’re referring to?
Tell me, what was your reply to that explanation?
Your best possible outcome is far bloodier than anything I have in mind. You are just too stupid to see it. You are naive and don’t even see you are shoulder to shoulder with the worst people. Maybe check yourself every now and then.
Im replying in general, I blocked hexbear instance then and had no desire to go through same dumb discussion I have been through before and got the same faulty and illogical arguments. So I dont know what comment you are referring to. I’d be glad to see it if it’s not the same old shit again. And it is, isn’t it?
I love the combination of insults and degrading what I said while suggesting you never even read it (as you announced you were blocking the instance. Incidentally, instance-level blocking wasn’t possible at the time, to my knowledge. That’s part of Lemmy v0.19.x.
But not to worry! I’ll just share what I said with you again. Be sure to explain how it’s uninformed, stupid, and devalues Ukrainian lives! I’m just too big of a dum-dum to figure it out.
whataboutism
It points out the double standards westerners gladly accept in order to favor themselves and disadvantage others. How hollow the rhetoric is. How much rides on accepting propaganda, such as adopting the term “whataboutism” as a way to deflect from valid criticism. That’s an old cold war term you picked up, probably from society in general, but it was propaganda to help ensure Soviet criticisms of double standards could be dismissed by Amerikkkans.
Minsk 2, like we don’t know Russian army went in there with heavy weapons in 2014 and sponsored separatists
The form of this argument is “whataboutism” btw, lol.
But anyways, Russia’s presence in 2014 was at best covert and there’s little evidence. They did provide some supplies. However, why would this contradict any points made about Minsk 2? Anyone familiar with the diplomatic efforts knows that the West was far more brutal and aggressive, targeting civilians in Donbas, and repeatedly avoided diplomatic solutions. The (ignorant) rallying cry seems to be that Russia should have unilaterally done everything even while the West did nothing and even escalated. They didn’t even honor ceasefires.
that by helping the attacked invaded country, the west is somehow making it worse?
“Helping” is doing the heavy lifting in this sentence. If it’s making the situation worse, it isn’t helping, is it? The “it” matters. The “it” from the West is weapons, loans, and auctioning off the country to Western corporate interests. The latter two get called “aid” even though they throw the poorest country in Europe into deep debt and exploitation. The former is weapons, it is direct support for the war, and whether that is “helping” depends on your understanding of where this war is going, what the realistic outcomes are, and what unexplored alternatives exist to propping up the UA military.
The simple version is that UA is fucked. It is not going to win and “reconstruction”, if it ever comes from the West, will come at the price of foreign ownership, low wages, and further stripped social safety nets. Since it will lose, the question is really: how long do you want this to go on? How many Ukeainians do you want dead? I want none. The US government will accept any number so long as it hurts Russia. Do you accept any amount of dead Ukrainians so long as it hurts Russia? I don’t. I want those people alive.
Sending weapons just ensures more and more Ukrainians dying so that the West can “stick it” to Russia. Not so that UA will win. Not so that the outcome is better. So that the outcome is objectively worse, so long as it’s “hurting the right people”. And all the while, the less horrible options are kept off the table, which is to say, diplomacy. Both by simply avoiding or preventing talks as early as March last year, but by ensuring the Western populace is unable to accept diplomacy at this point. This is why they tell you UA is winning, that Russians are subhuman monsters, etc etc. So that you support endless violence and think diplomacy is a bad idea.
This is also all before we get to the MIC, which drives war to fill its pockets. This is another of the real reasons the “helping” is happening: so that Lockheed-Martin can sell more weapons, keep more millions, all while children are plunged back into poverty. They steal from our children and our lives so that more Russians and Ukrainians may die, and there’s always a new target of the violence ready to go for these bloodthirsty monsters.
Had you decided to listen rather than throw a tantrum, you might have learned these things.
So what you have is the same things all over again? Why are you doubling down on your own stupidity?
Whataboutism is of course not a way to deflect any criticism. It’s a fallacy. Double standard? What are you 5? Of course there is a double standard. Damn, you should get a medal for being last to arrive.
About Minsk 2 is not whataboutism because it refers to the same actual thing. That’s not how it works. There is more than enuguh evidence for Russian army supporting seperatists and going into donbas themselves. You speak of the west a lot like there is an entity called " the west". You are so naive, it shows you no idea at all how diplomacy and international relations with work.
I dont even know where to start explaining it to you, but for sure I don’t have enough time. Let me just point out the faults in your reasonings:
Ukraine is fighting for itself. There is no evil west there. They are fighting am occupying army. They would do it either way, if they got the help from anyone or not. They are just doing it far better with better weapons. If they didn’t have them they would still fight. They might totally be occupied, then they would fight like partisans and do terrorist actions. That is the situation. That is the alternative. Not some happy little world you imagine.
America sure like Russia being trashed with their old discontinued weapons they would have to pay lots of money to dispose otherwise. America spends hundreds of billions of dollars every year just for Russia on their military budget. Basically their whole military budget was there because of Russia. Now they are being trashed for peanuts. That’s the biggest strategic win America had in decades. But thinking that this is all the is is also naive. Because America is not one child person that feels one emotion. Diplomats are thinking about what happens after the war and it’s a very difficult situation to defeat Russia in a way that doesn’t create more problems later. And Russia is losing, there is no doubt about it. That’s not from some main stream media that you hate so much, you would rather listen to Moscow media. That’s coming from war analysts, economists. That’s coming from the change in tone of Russian propagandists. That’s coming from Putin asking north freaking Korea for help
The world is chaos and most of the time things happen for the most banal reasons. Like a lunatic that finds a reason to invade another country in a minority that lives there, like the sudeten Germans.
Sometimes when you want to see if you are on the right sight of history, check who your comrades are. Yours are the extreme right, trump, Orban, kim jon um,… I wouldnt want to be in that company.
Have you done so many brain gymnastics that you think you genuinely care about the lives of Ukrainians, or are you aware that you’re lying for political points?
In what way do you actually value Ukrainian lives?
The ones about how America will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian?
Yes that’s one of the disgusting ones. So naive and stupid. These hexbear people are degrading Ukrainians like they have no agency for themselves, like they have no wants and motivations as a nation and individuals. With these disgusting statements they are demeaning their fight and their lives. On the other hand there is the caricature America that somehow like an evil shaman, directs others into doing their bidding. Grotesque.
They forgot to mention that the reason Ukrainians don’t have agency is because the West is turning them gay:
I lost any support for them when I saw them cheering the idea that North Korea should be able to nuke other countries as they all cheered happily “Death to America” with heart emojis like there would be no mass suffering and a complete lack of critical thought of what enabling bullies means for the suffering they are wanting to happen.
They are scared idiots who think appeasing bullies means they will have an easier life and not have to think about how bad things sometimes just have to happen because not everyone is good at heart.
Then they cover it with false claim that they support all people and they only support communism because of how it would support everyone equally.If you actually care about people you don’t root for suffering and hurting and you definitely don’t wave flags for the bullies just cause it’s an easier answer. Life isn’t so easy and they don’t want to hear it.
into it
Death to all communist trash
Follow your leader
Once you make an account you also transition to a new gender eventually. Like Mars people from Carole and Tuesday / Cowboy Bebop. It cranks.
it’s impressive how many eggs have been hatched by hexbear it is true
I am genuinely confused about how Hexbearians thought being dicks on the internet was going to change any hearts and/or minds
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I sort of look at them as amusement. It’s not like what they want will happen In our lifetimes (or ever probably). I don’t necessarily get why everyone hates them, just try looking at them as funny content lol
You must not have seen the amount of genocide denial they do, or the amount of simping for dictators.
Ahh I guess that’s a good reason to hate them
I genuinely don’t understand why the admins are dragging ass and not just defederating from them already. They provide nothing of value, just spam and harassment.
Because if memory serves both Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad share some admins with each other
And with Lemmygrad and Hexbear loving each other: federation is going to stay a thing over here
One of the things I love about the instance I’m on is that we’re defederated from Hexbear, it’s pretty nice NGL
Because you’re on a tankie instance. Go to sopuli.xyz; the admin banned all extremists left and right so it’s smooth sailing.
What does tankie mean?
wanna-be-edgy teenager who unironically wears Che Guevara t-shirts, mostly.
Also the kind that say anything western is the devil, and anything Russian and/or Chinese is the great saviour/perfection/whatever other bullshit.
So would the people from hexbear be considered tankies?
Is there a way to see who has defederated?
Welp, tried to delete my account and fuck off from this place due to that knowledge, but apparently account deletion doesnt work. so I’m just fuckin off.
Thanks for the info, made the decision easier.
Apparently so.
What’s weird is that I don’t remember the Chapo guys doing any of that, they seem pretty solidly democratic socialist.
I guess that’s what happens when you let your community mods be Putin bots or whatever dumbfuckery went on.
It’s also what happens when you lock yourself in an echo chamber for long enough, you views will drift.
But the Chapo crowd always had tendencies towards brigading and whatnot which is why Reddit eventually deleted their sub.
Plus the Chapo crowd were firmly “Bernie or Bust,” which was a pretty shit view at the time.
They are the best example what happens when people are locked in their echo chamber. They are radicalizing themselves to the point of absurdity. The statements they make are so illogical its hard to even have a discussion about it, because they literally deny truisms.
Because it worked on them. At some point someone was a smug, obnoxious cunt to them online and they were like “Wow, thanks, I guess I’m a communist now!”
Me but with Vaush and he supports a more democratic and less genocidal version of communism.
They arent just dicks. They are maniacs who are in favour of the genocides commited against ukranians and uyghurs.
They’re simply trolls
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