so that the Fuck AI crowd can care about the brown people
How can you possibly make such a vile distortion of the general reaction? The comments have been very clear in explaining the problems of using AI slop. It’s not even a particularly challenging meme given the community we’re in. The British Empire being a plight upon the Global South and capitalism killing millions of people are largely agreed upon here.
Here is a meme from a year ago, that roughly makes the same point, from this same community, by Yogthos no less: https://lemmy.ml/post/36383656
Capitalism being bad, and especially so towards the Global South, is not a point of contention here, as both things have been extensively said and discussed. The reason why people are reacting like this now is because, this time, a corporate service with extremely serious societal and environmental consequences has been used to repeat this already well-established point, and OP is acting a bit weird and defensive when being called out about it.
I don’t think it is bad to repeat already established points, especially as libs keep overflowing every thread slightly critical with the status quo with propaganda, but comments calling OP out for doing an extremely low-effort, problematic iteration of this point are completely legitimate.
I don’t think it’s a gross distortion of reality. Your reaction kinda proves my point.
There were so many people here who were like “Umm downvote cause AI”
OP clearly said they reshared what they found, so they didn’t use the AI either.
So I figured id help and I even made the nice non AI version and took the time to not even pick that pedophile Drake, and who doesn’t love Miku?
You still got upset that you got called out and lashed outward instead of checking yourself inward.
Also, literally told to my face that it was good Indians were colonized cause at least that brought capitalism there, as tho free trade never existed in the region before. 🙄
Also, literally told to my face that it was good Indians were colonized cause at least that brought capitalism there, as tho free trade never existed in the region before. 🙄
Damn, and you’re being shit on for lightly spelling out the subtext when your intuition was right all along.
I think you are greatly overstating my reaction here. All my comments are relatively long because I suck at being concise and I don’t want to be misunderstood, but I maybe should have been a bit wiser and notice that there are literally no good intentions or good faith in your attitude. It is after all required to act in bad faith to get this defensive about AI slop and get this far assuming other people’s intentions.
Also, literally told to my face that it was good Indians were colonized cause at least that brought capitalism there, as tho free trade never existed in the region before. 🙄
I’m sorry about this, I guess? I quite literally did not mean this and it came to me as a surprise that you got this from my comment, and it’s the reason why I am replying once again. I apologize if I said something that implies this or results from colonial bias implying this. I want to make it clear that this claim is very much not in line with my world view. It is also not clear to me what I said that led to this misunderstanding.
That said, this apology is certainly half-hearted. I have enough reasons to assume that you are acting in bad faith and pulling the most inflammatory accusations you possibly can.
The miku meme is cool, though. I wish it wasn’t accompanied with such an incendiary caption.
You’re literally sitting and complaining about the P’s and Q’s. There’s a bunch of people in the comment section literally going slop slop and not caring about what’s being said.
So maybe it wasn’t for you. Have you considered taht?
Its like saying all men are suck, if you’re the type to get upset by that then you’re the problem.
I want to assume we got off on the wrong foot. If you like the meme, and OPs meme then the caption wasn’t for you. Teh caption was literally for OP.
I’m sorry for any misunderstanding.
Its frustrating to be told no how you’re saying what you’re saying is incorrect, when what’s being said is pretty important. If you can ignore what I’m saying then you’re also justifying what happened, cause the medium is more important than the message.
I hope that clarifies why I’m frustrated.
Its frustrating to be told no how you’re saying what you’re saying is incorrect, when what’s being said is pretty important. If you can ignore what I’m saying then you’re also justifying what happened, cause the medium is more important than the message.
I hope that clarifies why I’m frustrated.
Fair, but you lashed out at me directly, you referred to my reaction specifically, and I have the responsibility to take seriously criticism that is a priori directed at me, lest I say “heh, they’re not talking about me” when you do mean something I, specifically, said or did wrong.
I think your frustration over the “form over content” concern trolling is completely legitimate and justified, but I also think that you are wrong at underestimating the massive problem that generative AI entails, which other comments were concerned about. Is this post not the place to do so? Yogthos has been spamming this community lately with AI slop memes, and making fun of anyone displaying any concern at all. OP has also contributed a fair bit to the spam. The content of those memes themselves are pretty reasonable and they tackle issues that need to be talked about. They can all be talked about without contributing to AI companies burning the world faster than it ever has burned before.
Where is the place to talk about this? AI slop is not moderated against, so it needs to be discussed somewhere. I understand that your ideology is one such that imperialist damage on the Global South takes priority over generative AI, and I think that is reasonable, but you need to respect that the damage caused by generative AI is also a genuine concern (that also disproportionately affects the Global South!) and people have a right to be angry about that in the space they have available for it.
I do agree genAI has issues, but I see it as a tool.
But I also don’t criticize the medium people use to talk about oppression and focus my attention on less useful uses of this tech.
So many worms, that I don’t think we can put back in their cans.
So I’m coming at it from a now what are we gonna do about it pov
I also think we are arguing on nuances at some point and we should get a beer/other beverage of choice, first ones on me.
Yknow this whole exhausting discussion could be avoided by simply not using Ai tho, not because of any moral reasoning but because the fact we are even arguing about this is taking away from the point being made. Rather than get mad at how people react to Ai, just consider if even using Ai is worth the inevitable derailment it’s causes.
As I replied to the other person, I suck at being concise, that is the only reason why I wrote a paragraph. But I think you are taking these assumptions way, way, way too far.
You won’t find mentions of South Asia in my comment history just like you won’t find mentions of most of the Global South, most of the relevant political issues, or most of anything really. I’m a lurker and I only comment when either I feel like it (almost never) or something is really bothering me (like this situation). In fact, this is my first time commenting on the AI slop invasion that is taking over this community, despite the fact that it has been bothering for some time now, because I feel it’s becoming really toxic now.
Why is anyone going to assume you have no ulterior motives? Because you have a .ml at the end of your name?
Literally WHY would anybody have any reason to assume that I DO have ulterior motives? I most often abstain from commenting on issues that I’m not very knowledgeable and would rather just learn what other smarter people have to say. I don’t know South Asia, I’m only vaguely aware of the atrocities that the British commited there, I think the British should pay reparations and dissolve the UK while they’re at it, what else am I supposed to say?
You likely give no fucks about South Asia, rarely comment on it, but the one time you do it’s to scold a poster for making a meme.
If it’s not that it’s AI it’s going to be that it’s something else
This is an excessive amount of assumption and I’m honestly borderline offended by this. This is what I mean by toxicity. I already felt that Lemmy was exhausting when I couldn’t talk my mind to the .world hivemind because, guess what, they assumed I was a ‘tankie’ because of being on .ml, and my opinion was invalid for commiting the sin of talking positively about Hexbear. Only for a hexbear to also come and assume the worst of me just because I called out someone not for using AI slop, but for contorting other people’s intentions on such a toxic way? wtf, dude, seriously, not cool
I’m sorry if my comment was pointed directly and solely at you. I hope you don’t take my comment as a direct attack on you, has nothing to do with you. I might not have done a great job in communicating that. I apologize if I came off too harsh
How can you possibly make such a vile distortion of the general reaction? The comments have been very clear in explaining the problems of using AI slop. It’s not even a particularly challenging meme given the community we’re in. The British Empire being a plight upon the Global South and capitalism killing millions of people are largely agreed upon here.
Here is a meme from a year ago, that roughly makes the same point, from this same community, by Yogthos no less: https://lemmy.ml/post/36383656
Capitalism being bad, and especially so towards the Global South, is not a point of contention here, as both things have been extensively said and discussed. The reason why people are reacting like this now is because, this time, a corporate service with extremely serious societal and environmental consequences has been used to repeat this already well-established point, and OP is acting a bit weird and defensive when being called out about it.
I don’t think it is bad to repeat already established points, especially as libs keep overflowing every thread slightly critical with the status quo with propaganda, but comments calling OP out for doing an extremely low-effort, problematic iteration of this point are completely legitimate.
I don’t think it’s a gross distortion of reality. Your reaction kinda proves my point.
There were so many people here who were like “Umm downvote cause AI” OP clearly said they reshared what they found, so they didn’t use the AI either. So I figured id help and I even made the nice non AI version and took the time to not even pick that pedophile Drake, and who doesn’t love Miku?
You still got upset that you got called out and lashed outward instead of checking yourself inward.
Also, literally told to my face that it was good Indians were colonized cause at least that brought capitalism there, as tho free trade never existed in the region before. 🙄
Damn, and you’re being shit on for lightly spelling out the subtext when your intuition was right all along.
Perks of being me ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I think you are greatly overstating my reaction here. All my comments are relatively long because I suck at being concise and I don’t want to be misunderstood, but I maybe should have been a bit wiser and notice that there are literally no good intentions or good faith in your attitude. It is after all required to act in bad faith to get this defensive about AI slop and get this far assuming other people’s intentions.
I’m sorry about this, I guess? I quite literally did not mean this and it came to me as a surprise that you got this from my comment, and it’s the reason why I am replying once again. I apologize if I said something that implies this or results from colonial bias implying this. I want to make it clear that this claim is very much not in line with my world view. It is also not clear to me what I said that led to this misunderstanding.
That said, this apology is certainly half-hearted. I have enough reasons to assume that you are acting in bad faith and pulling the most inflammatory accusations you possibly can.
The miku meme is cool, though. I wish it wasn’t accompanied with such an incendiary caption.
You’re literally sitting and complaining about the P’s and Q’s. There’s a bunch of people in the comment section literally going slop slop and not caring about what’s being said. So maybe it wasn’t for you. Have you considered taht? Its like saying all men are suck, if you’re the type to get upset by that then you’re the problem.
I want to assume we got off on the wrong foot. If you like the meme, and OPs meme then the caption wasn’t for you. Teh caption was literally for OP.
I’m sorry for any misunderstanding.
Its frustrating to be told no how you’re saying what you’re saying is incorrect, when what’s being said is pretty important. If you can ignore what I’m saying then you’re also justifying what happened, cause the medium is more important than the message. I hope that clarifies why I’m frustrated.
Fair, but you lashed out at me directly, you referred to my reaction specifically, and I have the responsibility to take seriously criticism that is a priori directed at me, lest I say “heh, they’re not talking about me” when you do mean something I, specifically, said or did wrong.
I think your frustration over the “form over content” concern trolling is completely legitimate and justified, but I also think that you are wrong at underestimating the massive problem that generative AI entails, which other comments were concerned about. Is this post not the place to do so? Yogthos has been spamming this community lately with AI slop memes, and making fun of anyone displaying any concern at all. OP has also contributed a fair bit to the spam. The content of those memes themselves are pretty reasonable and they tackle issues that need to be talked about. They can all be talked about without contributing to AI companies burning the world faster than it ever has burned before.
Where is the place to talk about this? AI slop is not moderated against, so it needs to be discussed somewhere. I understand that your ideology is one such that imperialist damage on the Global South takes priority over generative AI, and I think that is reasonable, but you need to respect that the damage caused by generative AI is also a genuine concern (that also disproportionately affects the Global South!) and people have a right to be angry about that in the space they have available for it.
I hope we have reached a common understanding.
I do agree genAI has issues, but I see it as a tool. But I also don’t criticize the medium people use to talk about oppression and focus my attention on less useful uses of this tech. So many worms, that I don’t think we can put back in their cans. So I’m coming at it from a now what are we gonna do about it pov
I also think we are arguing on nuances at some point and we should get a beer/other beverage of choice, first ones on me.
Yknow this whole exhausting discussion could be avoided by simply not using Ai tho, not because of any moral reasoning but because the fact we are even arguing about this is taking away from the point being made. Rather than get mad at how people react to Ai, just consider if even using Ai is worth the inevitable derailment it’s causes.
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As I replied to the other person, I suck at being concise, that is the only reason why I wrote a paragraph. But I think you are taking these assumptions way, way, way too far.
You won’t find mentions of South Asia in my comment history just like you won’t find mentions of most of the Global South, most of the relevant political issues, or most of anything really. I’m a lurker and I only comment when either I feel like it (almost never) or something is really bothering me (like this situation). In fact, this is my first time commenting on the AI slop invasion that is taking over this community, despite the fact that it has been bothering for some time now, because I feel it’s becoming really toxic now.
Literally WHY would anybody have any reason to assume that I DO have ulterior motives? I most often abstain from commenting on issues that I’m not very knowledgeable and would rather just learn what other smarter people have to say. I don’t know South Asia, I’m only vaguely aware of the atrocities that the British commited there, I think the British should pay reparations and dissolve the UK while they’re at it, what else am I supposed to say?
This is an excessive amount of assumption and I’m honestly borderline offended by this. This is what I mean by toxicity. I already felt that Lemmy was exhausting when I couldn’t talk my mind to the .world hivemind because, guess what, they assumed I was a ‘tankie’ because of being on .ml, and my opinion was invalid for commiting the sin of talking positively about Hexbear. Only for a hexbear to also come and assume the worst of me just because I called out someone not for using AI slop, but for contorting other people’s intentions on such a toxic way? wtf, dude, seriously, not cool
I’m sorry if my comment was pointed directly and solely at you. I hope you don’t take my comment as a direct attack on you, has nothing to do with you. I might not have done a great job in communicating that. I apologize if I came off too harsh