• 挂路灯人@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    I’m not ignoring anything. I’m accurately characterising a system that not once in its entire existence has challenged the interests of capital. Your response to this has been nonsequitors and leftist vocabulary used as buzzwords you don’t seem to entirely grasp.

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      1 day ago

      My response is rooted in a structuralist critique of the system that incentivizes participation. You have said nothing of the incentives other than to assert there is none. What do you hope to accomplish by disparaging me instead of the argument?

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        See and once again completely not engaging with the point at hand.

        To try get back to the actual matter at hand. You put forth the assertion that voting allows Amerikans to choose who they are fighting. This is blatantly untrue as the democrats and republicans are not the top of the ladder but simply the mask or the orators of those truly at the tops will (the capitalists). In response to this being pointed out you’ve gone on many tangents to use as much leftspeak as you can muster to entirely miss the point and add nothing of value (likely because you cannot as what I pointed out is blatantly obvious to all those with eyes). I am not disparaging you I simply refuse to be pulled down these inane side tangents.

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          You can say they aren’t really the “boss” but fact remains that voting shapes how the conflict plays out. Voting is choosing the quality of the boss fight.

          But thank you for this. In the future I will say “boss fight” instead of “boss” to be more clear.

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            Voting is choosing the quality of the boss fight.

            It really isn’t. Did the Dems close Guantanamo? No. Did they defund the Police or ICE? No infact they oversaw record funding. Did they codify roe v wade? No. Did they do anything to slow or stop the foreign child crushing machine? No.

            Pr is the only real difference and unfortunately pr is immaterial.

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              15 hours ago

              The party responds to those fighting in accordance to their PR. A dem will opt for more covert methods while the repubs will send the police to outright murder people in the streets and celebrate it. All the issues you listed are true, and that is why fighting is not optional.

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                Lol, now we all know you’ve never been to a protest.

                Every time I’ve ever been tear gassed for protesting, it was a Democrat who gave the orders.

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                9 hours ago

                A dem will opt for more covert methods while the repubs will send the police to outright murder people in the streets and celebrate it.

                Again an assertion that doesn’t like up with reality. ICE (the modern Gestapo as many people know them) were no less funded or utilised under dems for example same with the police. They also oversaw and funded genocide. You are falling for the optics and believe just because they say the good things they must not be doing as many of the bad things and it’s just not accurate.

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                  Again, I never said the dems don’t utilize the same forces. The critique is in how and to what degree. Surely there are plenty of libs for you to debate that you don’t need to invent a strawman lib.

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                    See now you’re backtracking. So they don’t use more covert methods? They use the exact same methods and institutions just “less” (in your mind). But again this is an assertion without merit when you look at how funding for ICE and the militarisation of the police hit record levels under both administrations. So again we’re back to you taking pr and a better controlled news cycle to be a tangible material difference that it simply isn’t.