The U.S. government tried to get rid of immigrants before and replace them with American high school student athletes and most of them quit https://www.kvpr.org/2018-08-23/when-the-u-s-government-tried-to-replace-migrant-farmworkers-with-high-schoolers
Anytime I’ve done some world building in my head for the great human empire :tm: it involves some sort of rotational labor period in each citizens early 20’s to give them exposure to a few different styles of work
It’s a nice way to give back to the community while also getting to see how the rest of the world lives
I’m sure there’s flaws with it but sounds a hell of a lot better than what we have now
I genuinely believe everyone should serve some sort of customer service role at least once in their life.
Except the American response to this would be to be extra shitty to retail workers since customers were shitty to them during their tour.
That’s not how walking a mile in someone else’s shoes work. It’s the opposite.
Many Americans believe that the new guys have to suffer, like they had to, and that it’s the suffering that unites us. Many don’t seem to be ok with being the last ones that suffer so the next don’t have to, which is seen as unfair. At least that’s been my experience living over here.
That’s a really unfortunate philosophy because at best it guarantees things never improve
Yeah…I thought that as soon as I hit Enter.
Yeah, can’t wait to see what a bunch of bored teenagers and twenty somethings will do to our food supply after the first couple of seasons fucking around. Forced labor also doesn’t mean quality labor.
Authoritarians never learn that forcing people to act like they want doesn’t work.
It sounds better than forced military service.
Its actually been done before and most teens quitted or were fired within weeks because of the inhuman working conditions. The quality of the work they would do is completely irrelevant.
Turns out that the “Great Leap Forward” is actually circular.
how to tell when someone has just had their 31st birthday
Yeah, we should go back to an agricultural economy, like 200 years ago!
We still live in a world with mandatory military service in many countries. I’d trade it for that.
But otherwise thanks, I’d rather have neither.
Military service exists for a reason though, and a good one. I disagree with it but I understand its need all too much.
This, however is just the new extremist and inept government making decisions that break things, so to fill those holes they’ll just break other things.
It won’t last
What is the good reason for military to exist, in your opinion?
Defend your country against assholes like Putin, for example?
Or get your own Putin and have him raze the world to the ground?
Again, any country without military is at great risk of being subjugated.
I don’t want armies, I don’t want militaries but there is a reason for having them. You want Putin to rule Europe? Because that’s what happens when you remove Europe’s armies
When we still had mandatory military service in Germany, one could alternatively choose to work in social services for 1-1,5 years. I worked a year in a hospital as an assistance nurse. Others worked in youth centers, community center or retirement homes. That year was not a pleasant one, as Zivis (thats what we were called) got exploited by the hospital stuff (always getting the worst shifts, always getting the shitty jobs, being used for jobs we were not qualified to do and so on).
Despite that I honestly think it was worth it. It helped to find oneself to do something different before starting university and it also helped to improve social and medical services.
The only real criticism I have is the aforementioned exploitation. There should have been better mechanisms in place to prevent this. And maybe the payment should have been a little better. I think we got ~8€/calender day plus free board and lodging; this wasn’t great.
I think all citizens should have to go through the military’s Basic Training when they hit 18. No need to do the 4 years of service if they don’t want to, but do have to make it through boot camp, even if you want to go to university.
I have a better idea, NO
I dunno… being trained in individual and squad movement tactics might come in handy over the next 4 years. Firearms training too, that in restricted states can let you skip classes you’d otherwise pay for is cool too, and would be handy for a lot of peeps.
I could not possibly resist the intrusive thoughts that come with carrying a rifle.
I honestly unironically support it. Lots of people should go touch some grass sometimes. It gives you some movement, builds an understanding for where our food “really comes from”, and connects people in a way similar to the military, but less targeted on warfare.
Would’ve done me a lot of good when I was young that’s for sure.
You can be an exploited, underpaid and overworked farm laborer pretty easily if that’s something you want.
Didn’t they try this already on like teenagers or college students or something? Didn’t it go horribly wrong?
+3,000 student athletes in The A-Team. And yes it went horribly wrong. Some students started unionizing immediately.
“Then you go out in the field, and the first ray of sun comes over the horizon. The first ray. Everyone looked at each other, and said, ‘What did we do?’ The thermometer went up like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. By 9 a.m., it was 110 degrees.”
Garden gloves that the farmers gave the students to help them harvest lasted only four hours, because the cantaloupe’s fine hairs made grabbing them feel like “picking up sandpaper.”
The farmers sheltered them in “any kind of defunct housing,” according to Carter — old Army barracks, rooms made from discarded wood, and even buildings used to intern Japanese-Americans during World War II.
I’m bookmarking this article. Probably gonna use it a lot these coming years.
Save it as a pdf (using the print option) in case it gets disappeared
“Make America Great Leap Forward Again”
Unfortunately, MAGLFA doesn’t have the same ring to it…
Maoism is a conservative doctrine tbf
True, but labor rotation is also common in anarchist communities
And in Marxist circles as well.
Mao is turning in his grave over this misappropriation. If Maoists read Mao’s Oppose Book Worship, they wouldn’t be Maoists.
Great idea from Soviet Union. Just ask them, how this turned out.
Pretty sure the quota system and the complete govt disregard for ag-science was to blame, and not the Labor force for that one.
You are right. The government disregard for anything contributed largely for the demise of the union.
However, I am fortunate enough to never experience this, but my parents had to participate in kolkhozes and it was terrible.
I guess, what I am trying to say is, MAGA would not appreciate such an agricultural system.
