Not in the U.S they aren’t. They are progressives. Not necessarily anti capitalist but they are fully social progressives.
Please explain how a social progressive is the same as a neo Nazi.
Definition
Noun
a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
“she dissented from the decision, joined by the court’s liberals”
a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise
Now libertarian is a different story.
But you can all Google the definition of both because there seems to be a lot of people who are promoting that liberals are right wingers. And that’s literally the opposite of what they are.
Yes I understand the middle has shifted. But that’s normal and has always happened throughout history.
Liberals are not conservative. They are against misogyny, bigotry,racism.
Which is what the right stands for.
Their opinion on capitalism does not make them Nazis.
Liberals are Democrat voters. Not Republicans.
I mean the word “libtard” is the rights slur against liberals.
Obviously they don’t like liberals. Because they don’t share ideologies.
For fucks sake.
Must be psyop to try to convince everyone liberals are right wing.
I always get so much second hand embarrassment from clueless liberals trying to condescendingly explain their poor understanding of politics to vastly more knowledgeable people. It’s like watching a primary school student lecturing their teacher that all cats are female and all dogs are male.
Dawg you guys OPENLY VOTED for genocide not even 2 years ago, is your memory that poor? Biden/Harris oversaw the incineration of countless thousands, supporting it the whole way, arming it, repeating disgusting blood libel about Hamas mass rapes and 40 beheaded babies to justify it, and sending riot cops to beat us down when we protested.
Some leftists were reading out the names of murdered Palestinian kids at the DNC and these liberal freaks fucking plugged their ears and/or laughed because they know they crossed the rubicon, they know they’re fucking nazis.
You actively voted for a pro-genocide candidate, you hemmed and hawwed, equivocating and condemning resistance until the evil was undeniable, and then you fell silent, and now you’re pretending to have always been against this. As the Arabic saying goes, you killed the victim and now march in his funeral. You made your bed, now you must lie in it
Liberalism is right-wing because it supports capitalism. It isn’t the only right-wing ideology, but anyone calling themselves “progressive” that opposes moving on from capitalism to socialism is in fact holding progress back from where it needs to go.
But if these individuals support social progress, even if they incorrectly believe it can be achieved within capitalism, this does not make them Republicans.
The distinction between left and right in the U.S is democratic and Republic ideologies.
Social progressives vs traditionalists.
Support for capitalism is not the dividing line. It never has been.
You can all pretend liberals are the cause of all your problems.
The right wing is the actual cause of our slip into fascism. They worked to get their own people into every seat. Plenty of blue maga. These are not actual liberals. They only ran as Dems to get elected.
The right wing conservatives are the ones stripping women of rights. Of trans peoples rights.
It’s sure as fuck not the liberals.
I’ve given multiple definitions of liberals from multiple sources and you all just pretend that’s not the definition.
That your personal definition is the “real” one and call anyone who disagrees as uninformed.
I can use Google. Apparently you cannot.
You don’t get to just make up your own definition and push it and pretend that everyone else , all other sources are wrong.
And besides.
Instead of blaming liberal progressives who push for civil rights , environmental controls, and taxes on the rich, you should consider what it is that you have contributed to this country by pretending to be better than the people actually advocating for these progressive changes.
What have you done to make this country better?
You remind me of those Christian fundamentalist who think they are better than everyone else because they stick to rules they made up.
Honestly it all feels like you all must either be grifters or infiltrators.
No one believes this b.s that liberals are the problem right now.
We all know it’s the conservatives. The Republicans. The right wing and especially the alt right.
You’re confusing effect with cause, and as a consequence are mis-analyzing the key issues here. Fascism is rising because imperialism is decaying, and austerity is being brought home. It isn’t rising abstractly, but due to concrete material conditions. Perpetuating capitalism perpetuates the rise in fascism, so liberals, like it or not, are ineffectively fighting fascism by supporting the very system that gives rise to it.
As for what I do personally, I organize with a communist party, one that focuses on unionization, striking, protesting, and educating the working classes. I don’t sit on my hands for years at a time waiting for the next genocidal democrat to vote for, but instead make political activism a part of my life. Trying to claim that leftists are all infiltrators or grifters for having principles and coherent political analysis is absurd.
Support of private property does not make someone right wing. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. And it’s not a criteria listed anywhere on any definition.
I mean if you’re under feudal relations supporting capitalism makes you progressive, but right now we’re operating under socialized production with capitalists constraining production around exchange value so yeah supporting maintaining capitalism is right wing. Let socialized production benefit society.
Liberals are not conservative. They are against misogyny, bigotry,racism.
So right-wing Female supremacists, Trans supremacists and Afro-supremacists.
That’s your problem there.
If all of them are complacent with rampant problems in liberal democracies like:
Campaign fraud
Worker exploitation
Imperialist propaganda
Bribes
Blackmail
Inside trading
Usury
Private gambling institutions
Landlords
Consumer good poisoning
Monopolized rent consumer goods
Then THEY’RE NOT LEFT-WING!
And the US hasn’t had a left-wing party, not even a social democratic one, since the 1990s,
as social democratic parties only seem to thrive if there’s a socialist nation to look up to
and the Soviet Union fell apart as it lacked resources (coal) to do anything against the US petrodollar scheme,
That’s why Bill Clinton had been called a Repubic-lite during his reign
and Obama never delivered on his “Hope & Change”.
The only semi-left-wing ideas I see coming from US contemporaries “progressives”,
is that they’re pro-green, because that at least will help people have the resources to go left in the future.
The right stands for a ruling merchant class and a gatekeeping judicial class.
The judicial class has noble ideas for itself as a ruling class,
but they need campaign money in order to be elected as a ruler,
which the merchant class has in spades, but want their favorable laws for them to be implemented in return.
And thus the merchant class becomes the ruling class and the judicial class their gatekeepers.
That’s what the right-wing stands for, unless they’re even more regressive
and long for a kings and priests to rule over them.
Centrists, social democratic wing like FDR, try to curb the power of the merchant class,
but a true left wing will replace it with a ruling engineering class and gatekeeping scholar class that will
replace liberal democracy with a people’s democracy that can focus on creating a classless society,
because only a people’s democracy can tackle the issue of campaign fraud,
which is systemic in a liberal democracy.
And this systemic problem becomes larger and larger the more a society automates
as it causes the power of merchants to be more and more concentrated.
The US democratic party is only slowly returning to become a social democratic party
with Zohran Mamdami firmly in the democratic socialist side.
But looking from the outside, the US is like the Star Control II Ur-Quan alien race, where the US democratic party plays the role of the Kzer-za that wants the rest of the world/galaxy enslaved and the US republican party playing the role of the bloodthirsty Kohr-Ah that wants the rest of the world dead. The only thing missing in the US is a civil war between the two.
Any supremacist is not, by it’s very definition of being discriminating, liberal.
Liberal is against bigotry of any kind. That’s a core foundation. It supports equality.
Why are you under the impression that only white racist are alt right and all other kinds are liberals?
That’s not how that works.
You can hate whites. Mexicans. Jews. Men, etc. Any support of group discrimination is right wing by its definition because liberals specifically is against bigotry.
My formative childhood years were spent listening to “good, non-bigoted” liberals talk about “killing terrorists” who “hate democracy” because of their “tribal culture”.
Liberalism can claim to stand for whatever, it’s still a fact that liberal governments participated in wars, invasions, regime change operations, economic warfare, genocide.
Liberalism obscures the systemic nature of problems by focusing on and promoting Individualist ideals. The reason liberalism is in crisis is that it doesn’t work, not that it’s not implemented correctly.
Must be psyop to try to convince everyone liberals are right wing.
a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
for who? progressive in what sense? welfare for who, what are thy trying to solve by giving who assistance? Please try to think. You can’t just parrot what you read on dictionaries. you can’t just trust people.
If you keep living like this people will keep lying to you, you’ll keep falling for it because of your naivete. If you keep letting other people decide how to live your life someone will take advantage and they will make sure there’s nothing you can do to stop them, nothing but complain on the internet about how miserable your lie is and how other people need to fix it for you.
If we were to look at basic leftist theory they always regard liberals as non left. The argument is that liberals just protect the liberties of the priviledged class, typically the wealth owning class. They treat the workers like wage slaves, throwing them a bone to keep them quiet, but when historically being forced to choose between having the workers attain same level of liberties, the liberals always chose to surpress that, break unions or even multiple times directly allow fascist overtake.
you are right that in us this is presented as opposition, but any serious leftist will categorically deny that as absurd. One good indicator is for example how the genocide in gaza is bipartizan or even the war in iran. They protect same interests. They do not serve the voter.
Arguably, all parties within a liberal democracy are liberal in ideology. Republicans are just the right wing of that liberal system, Dems are to the left of the repubs but both still liberal. In Australia the leading conservative party is quite literally called The Liberal Party.
Lemmy right wing. Not liberals.
Liberals are anti trump. Only right wing people support trump.
As if Trump supporters are the only ones this meme applies to. Western liberals are just as bad in that regard
Then again, what are these democracts doing to stop “Trump”? Ive yet to hear a single democrat talk about Trump as they do of Iran.
Liberals are right-wing.
Not in the U.S they aren’t. They are progressives. Not necessarily anti capitalist but they are fully social progressives.
Please explain how a social progressive is the same as a neo Nazi.
Definition
Noun
a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare. “she dissented from the decision, joined by the court’s liberals”
a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise
Now libertarian is a different story.
But you can all Google the definition of both because there seems to be a lot of people who are promoting that liberals are right wingers. And that’s literally the opposite of what they are.
Yes I understand the middle has shifted. But that’s normal and has always happened throughout history.
Liberals are not conservative. They are against misogyny, bigotry,racism.
Which is what the right stands for.
Their opinion on capitalism does not make them Nazis.
Liberals are Democrat voters. Not Republicans.
I mean the word “libtard” is the rights slur against liberals.
Obviously they don’t like liberals. Because they don’t share ideologies.
For fucks sake. Must be psyop to try to convince everyone liberals are right wing.
I always get so much second hand embarrassment from clueless liberals trying to condescendingly explain their poor understanding of politics to vastly more knowledgeable people. It’s like watching a primary school student lecturing their teacher that all cats are female and all dogs are male.
Easier to imagine conspiracies everywhere than to accept the political consequences of supporting enslavement and genocide
No liberal supports that.
Literally none.
Give me a source that says they do.
They are all anti Israel. Hell, half of the right wing conservatives are also anti Israel.
Dawg you guys OPENLY VOTED for genocide not even 2 years ago, is your memory that poor? Biden/Harris oversaw the incineration of countless thousands, supporting it the whole way, arming it, repeating disgusting blood libel about Hamas mass rapes and 40 beheaded babies to justify it, and sending riot cops to beat us down when we protested.
Some leftists were reading out the names of murdered Palestinian kids at the DNC and these liberal freaks fucking plugged their ears and/or laughed because they know they crossed the rubicon, they know they’re fucking nazis.
You actively voted for a pro-genocide candidate, you hemmed and hawwed, equivocating and condemning resistance until the evil was undeniable, and then you fell silent, and now you’re pretending to have always been against this. As the Arabic saying goes, you killed the victim and now march in his funeral. You made your bed, now you must lie in it
Liberalism is right-wing because it supports capitalism. It isn’t the only right-wing ideology, but anyone calling themselves “progressive” that opposes moving on from capitalism to socialism is in fact holding progress back from where it needs to go.
That’s a moot point.
I agree capitalism will stop progress.
But if these individuals support social progress, even if they incorrectly believe it can be achieved within capitalism, this does not make them Republicans.
The distinction between left and right in the U.S is democratic and Republic ideologies.
Social progressives vs traditionalists.
Support for capitalism is not the dividing line. It never has been.
You can all pretend liberals are the cause of all your problems.
The right wing is the actual cause of our slip into fascism. They worked to get their own people into every seat. Plenty of blue maga. These are not actual liberals. They only ran as Dems to get elected.
The right wing conservatives are the ones stripping women of rights. Of trans peoples rights.
It’s sure as fuck not the liberals.
I’ve given multiple definitions of liberals from multiple sources and you all just pretend that’s not the definition.
That your personal definition is the “real” one and call anyone who disagrees as uninformed.
I can use Google. Apparently you cannot.
You don’t get to just make up your own definition and push it and pretend that everyone else , all other sources are wrong.
And besides.
Instead of blaming liberal progressives who push for civil rights , environmental controls, and taxes on the rich, you should consider what it is that you have contributed to this country by pretending to be better than the people actually advocating for these progressive changes.
What have you done to make this country better?
You remind me of those Christian fundamentalist who think they are better than everyone else because they stick to rules they made up.
Honestly it all feels like you all must either be grifters or infiltrators.
No one believes this b.s that liberals are the problem right now.
We all know it’s the conservatives. The Republicans. The right wing and especially the alt right.
You’re confusing effect with cause, and as a consequence are mis-analyzing the key issues here. Fascism is rising because imperialism is decaying, and austerity is being brought home. It isn’t rising abstractly, but due to concrete material conditions. Perpetuating capitalism perpetuates the rise in fascism, so liberals, like it or not, are ineffectively fighting fascism by supporting the very system that gives rise to it.
As for what I do personally, I organize with a communist party, one that focuses on unionization, striking, protesting, and educating the working classes. I don’t sit on my hands for years at a time waiting for the next genocidal democrat to vote for, but instead make political activism a part of my life. Trying to claim that leftists are all infiltrators or grifters for having principles and coherent political analysis is absurd.
Liberalism and conservatism are both offshoots of economic liberalism, favoring the rights of private property owners. Read a book
Support of private property does not make someone right wing. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. And it’s not a criteria listed anywhere on any definition.
I mean if you’re under feudal relations supporting capitalism makes you progressive, but right now we’re operating under socialized production with capitalists constraining production around exchange value so yeah supporting maintaining capitalism is right wing. Let socialized production benefit society.
So right-wing Female supremacists, Trans supremacists and Afro-supremacists.
That’s your problem there.
If all of them are complacent with rampant problems in liberal democracies like:
Then THEY’RE NOT LEFT-WING!
And the US hasn’t had a left-wing party, not even a social democratic one, since the 1990s,
as social democratic parties only seem to thrive if there’s a socialist nation to look up to
and the Soviet Union fell apart as it lacked resources (coal) to do anything against the US petrodollar scheme,
That’s why Bill Clinton had been called a Repubic-lite during his reign
and Obama never delivered on his “Hope & Change”.
The only semi-left-wing ideas I see coming from US
contemporaries“progressives”,is that they’re pro-green, because that at least will help people have the resources to go left in the future.
The right stands for a ruling merchant class and a gatekeeping judicial class.
The judicial class has noble ideas for itself as a ruling class,
but they need campaign money in order to be elected as a ruler,
which the merchant class has in spades, but want their favorable laws for them to be implemented in return.
And thus the merchant class becomes the ruling class and the judicial class their gatekeepers.
That’s what the right-wing stands for, unless they’re even more regressive
and long for a kings and priests to rule over them.
Centrists, social democratic wing like FDR, try to curb the power of the merchant class,
but a true left wing will replace it with a ruling engineering class and gatekeeping scholar class that will replace liberal democracy with a people’s democracy that can focus on creating a classless society,
because only a people’s democracy can tackle the issue of campaign fraud,
which is systemic in a liberal democracy.
And this systemic problem becomes larger and larger the more a society automates
as it causes the power of merchants to be more and more concentrated.
The US democratic party is only slowly returning to become a social democratic party
with Zohran Mamdami firmly in the democratic socialist side.
But looking from the outside, the US is like the Star Control II Ur-Quan alien race, where the US democratic party plays the role of the Kzer-za that wants the rest of the world/galaxy enslaved and the US republican party playing the role of the bloodthirsty Kohr-Ah that wants the rest of the world dead. The only thing missing in the US is a civil war between the two.
Any supremacist is not, by it’s very definition of being discriminating, liberal.
Liberal is against bigotry of any kind. That’s a core foundation. It supports equality.
Why are you under the impression that only white racist are alt right and all other kinds are liberals?
That’s not how that works.
You can hate whites. Mexicans. Jews. Men, etc. Any support of group discrimination is right wing by its definition because liberals specifically is against bigotry.
My formative childhood years were spent listening to “good, non-bigoted” liberals talk about “killing terrorists” who “hate democracy” because of their “tribal culture”.
Liberalism can claim to stand for whatever, it’s still a fact that liberal governments participated in wars, invasions, regime change operations, economic warfare, genocide.
Liberalism obscures the systemic nature of problems by focusing on and promoting Individualist ideals. The reason liberalism is in crisis is that it doesn’t work, not that it’s not implemented correctly.
for who? progressive in what sense? welfare for who, what are thy trying to solve by giving who assistance? Please try to think. You can’t just parrot what you read on dictionaries. you can’t just trust people.
If you keep living like this people will keep lying to you, you’ll keep falling for it because of your naivete. If you keep letting other people decide how to live your life someone will take advantage and they will make sure there’s nothing you can do to stop them, nothing but complain on the internet about how miserable your lie is and how other people need to fix it for you.
Wrong.
If we were to look at basic leftist theory they always regard liberals as non left. The argument is that liberals just protect the liberties of the priviledged class, typically the wealth owning class. They treat the workers like wage slaves, throwing them a bone to keep them quiet, but when historically being forced to choose between having the workers attain same level of liberties, the liberals always chose to surpress that, break unions or even multiple times directly allow fascist overtake.
you are right that in us this is presented as opposition, but any serious leftist will categorically deny that as absurd. One good indicator is for example how the genocide in gaza is bipartizan or even the war in iran. They protect same interests. They do not serve the voter.
This is your opinion. That’s not the definition in various online resources.
You don’t get to make up definitions whenever you like to push your narrative.
Jesus christ you have a dog’s brain
“Hey you are being treated as an animal”
“Um that’s not what my master says, stop telling lies”
Arguably, all parties within a liberal democracy are liberal in ideology. Republicans are just the right wing of that liberal system, Dems are to the left of the repubs but both still liberal. In Australia the leading conservative party is quite literally called The Liberal Party.
What people call themselves and what they actually stand for are not necessary the same.
Labor party in Britain is a good example.
Often party names start from historic ideologies that change over time.
Other times, a misleading word is used to intentionally obfuscate what their party /group / organization is doing.
It’s common in the U.S to give bills and laws that fuck the people over the most names like “citizens United”. Or “the save act”.
When these both are destructive to the people.