• sbird@retrofed.com
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    4 days ago

    Nobody finds this to be very funny. Next time, maybe don’t bring up eugenics in programmer humour?

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      2 days ago

      lol theres no eugenics in the meme. Mentioning a ‘shredded aryan’ is NOT eugenics and not even an affirmation of that view. Its quite clearly framed as the out of touch expectation of the nazi, therefore, actually implying that the notion of a shredded aryan coder is: unlikely. So, the opposite of what you are acusing it of.

      tldr: youre misintepreting the meme.

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        2 days ago

        I did not say it was an affirmation. I did not accuse anybody of being a Nazi, it is obvious that the idea of “shredded Aryan Germans” is ridiculous from the image. I said they mentioned eugenics, not advocate it. My point is that, in my opinion, it isn’t a good joke and pretty off-topic in a programming humour community bar the mention of vibe coders.

        I also don’t like how people who are autistic, trans, etc. are positioned as the “opposite” to shredded “Aryan” Germans, it doesn’t sit right as somebody who is autistic.

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          1 day ago

          fair, just as long as you also understand that that positioning is in service of ridiculing that positioning itself. Classic satirical technique.

          Also fair thinking its off topic. I dont necessarily agree, but whatevs

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      3 days ago

      What? Where is eugenics mentioned in the meme?

      I’m genuinely curious, I see no reference to selective breeding in here.

      Straight up I’m not even being deliberately dense, where’s the eugenics?

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        3 days ago

        The association of “Aryan” Germans with being shredded and people who are trans, autistic, etc. being positioned as the opposite. Eugenics is the idea that some people are genetically “superior” to others, making “Aryan” babies was a big part of it, but that’s the main idea being referenced.

        As somebody who is autistic myself, it doesn’t feel right as a “joke”. Yes, it paints people who believe in that sort of thing like idiots, because they are, but this is programmer humour, jokes should be about programming things! Off-topic and generally unfunny in my opinion.

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            2 days ago

            Most of the other bits about “shredded Aryan Germans” and all that isn’t though, and is the main topic of the “joke”.

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              Sorry mate I think you may have missed the joke?

              I wouldn’t say ripped Aryan men is the “main topic” of the joke. The subject of the joke is very clearly the “who cares how it was coded” crowd (referencing those permissive of LLMs). Along with the implication that their “idea” of an ideal human is counter to the fact that many of the best technical professionals (whome they could only aspire to imitate) are often, distinctly, not aligned with that perceived ideal.

              See, humor is all about the juxtaposition of novel subjects.

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                1 day ago

                It just doesn’t fit with everything else in the community, in my opinion. I’m here for nerdy jokes, harmless laughs, and occasionally poking fun at vibe coders too.

                But again, I don’t like how autistic, trans, etc. people are positioned as the “opposite” of a “shredded Aryan German”, particularly as an autistic person myself. Maybe don’t have that in a programming humour community, you know? Just my thoughts though

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                  12 hours ago

                  I’m diagnosed ASD myself. A lot of us on Lemmy are most likely.

                  I think where I’m getting confused is where we’re taking issue with distinguishing “autistic transgender puppygirl” and “shredded Aryan German guy”. Those are distinctly, visually, very different things. In order for the joke to land the reader needs to be able to distinguish the contents of the juxtaposition.

                  I don’t think this joke would have landed if the dichotomy being drawn was between “one perfectly valid human being” and “another perfectly valid human being, who has problematic views on the states relationship with the body-politic.”

                  You could remove the reference to autism I suppose but, again, the joke is in the fact that the vibe-coding chud is angry that they are mogged by what they perceive as ‘lesser’. For that to work you need to create some homunculus that will represent that person.

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                    9 hours ago

                    I just think it isn’t super on-topic, being a nerdy programmer jokes community, and if the programmer joke requires referencing bigotry to work, then maybe it isn’t that great of a joke.

                    Again, just my own thoughts on the matter. Feel free to disagree with me.

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        2 days ago

        Sorry? I’m not a Nazi, I am against all forms of discrimination and segregation. I do not support eugenics or the idea that some people are genetically “superior” to others.

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            21 hours ago

            My point was that it doesn’t really fit programmer humour, you know? I’m here for nerdy jokes and the occasional jab at Github downtime. Aside from the mention of vibe coders, it’s not really on topic, and the joke isn’t all that good in my opinion. I also don’t like autistic, trans, etc. people are positioned as the “opposite” of “shredded Aryan Germans”, even as a joke, “haha these people are so silly/crazy” doesn’t feel right, as an autistic person myself. Just my thoughts though.

            “The bigots hate minorities” might make sense as a meme in another community, but not programmer humour, where the current trend is about “4” being used as a private security key of a root CA. Jabs at vibe coders are totally fine too (see massive maintenance burden, ethical and legal problems of LLMs, etc., there are real reasons to not like those folk)

            If you need to bring up eugenics and bigotry in a programmer meme, maybe it isn’t very funny? (And the standards are very low, “4” is literally the current trend)