• MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    The division of political ideologies into left and right derives from the French Parliament which had the monarchists on the right and the liberals on the left.

    Every reference to right and left stems from this so yes in fact Liberalism has always been where the left starts even if liberals are nit leftists because the political left is anti-authoritarian.

    The binary has not changed and I promise you any claim ypu make to the contrary is going to be mired in euro-centric beliefs.

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      1 day ago

      The division of political ideologies into left and right derives from the French Parliament which had the monarchists on the right and the liberals on the left.

      The names yes, but the basic conflict is much older, Europe itself had the Guelph-Ghibelline conflict.

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        5 hours ago

        Perhaps it us my American education in geography, but isn’t France still part of Europe?

        The Gelph-Ghibelline conflict was about secular monarchism vs religious authority. Im not sure I see the point you’re making.

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          isn’t France still part of Europe?

          It is, it’s the UK that left (the EU, not the continent).

          The Gelph-Ghibelline conflict was about secular monarchism vs religious authority. Im not sure I see the point you’re making.

          That the conflict between feudal lords (French aristocrats / Ghibellines) and urban merchants (Guelph burghers / French Girondists) is much older than the French Revolution. The pope and emperor were the figureheads, but the lords and merchants were the power blocs.