• Flax@feddit.uk
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    11 hours ago

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What evidence would you require to believe the Buddhist sutras that describe talking animals and flying monks? Probably more than hearsay, I’d imagine.

    Eyewitness testimony. Said eyewitnesses literally dying on that hill helps. As well as a religious movement spontaneously and uncontrollably erupting from it.

    Are you really going to make me bring up all the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, then? The crusades, the inquisitions, the witch burnings, the wars of religion - all perfectly moral, apparently, because “secularism is needed to abolish morality.” What a load of crap.

    For a start, were the crusades really an atrocity? And the inquisitions? They were fighting against Islam. I don’t think you’d prefer a caliphate over Christendom. The Bible doesn’t mandate witch burnings either. In fact, it was usually over superstitious nonsense which it condemns. What didn’t help is that people back then couldn’t actually read the Bible - probably the largest answer to your question, actually. So corrupt people in the Church had more control. Now your average layman can read the Bible and see Trump is in fact an antichrist. Many churches also condemned the witch hunts as superstition. That’s kind of like the right using instances of transgender people committing atrocities to invalidate all of them.

    And if not capitalism, socialism, feudalism, or theocracy, then what is it exactly that you support?

    None of these work. They all rely on humans. I don’t see a need to participate in that argument. Empires come and go. Whether they be feudal, theocratic, democratic or socialist. I’m more concerned with Christ’s eternal Kingdom. Christ didn’t preach an earthly political system, much to many people’s dismay at the time. All He did in regards to political systems was emphasising that people should submit to the authorities over them. So whether you live in Britain, Canada, America, China or Russia. As long as said submission doesn’t undermine or overtake your submission to God. You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it, you shall love your neighbour as yourself. These two commandments should govern the affairs of a Christian’s life.

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      Eyewitness testimony. Said eyewitnesses literally dying on that hill helps. As well as a religious movement spontaneously and uncontrollably erupting from it.

      Cool. That describes most religions. So either you need to convert to basically every religion at once, or you need to raise your standards of evidence.

      For a start, were the crusades really an atrocity? And the inquisitions? They were fighting against Islam.

      And Judaism, and Eastern Orthodoxy, and anyone who happened to be standing in the way of valuables. How can you possibly be this deluded about history?

      You don’t see a problem with the numerous times all Jews were expelled from their respective countries? Like when Jews in Spain, who had previously been tolerated under Islamic rule, were forced to convert, leave, or die, and many of them had to flee to Islamic countries for whatever refuge they could find there? Why the hell do you think there’s a diaspora?

      Or the crusades, when the Byzantines asked the Church for help fighting the Muslims, and the crusaders sacked and looted Constantinople, leaving them more vulnerable?

      The Bible doesn’t mandate witch burnings either.

      Then you’ll be relieved to know that Marx never mandated any sort of atrocities, so that means Marxism has a totally clean record on that front.

      None of these work. They all rely on humans. I don’t see a need to participate in that argument. Empires come and go. Whether they be feudal, theocratic, democratic or socialist. I’m more concerned with Christ’s eternal Kingdom. Christ didn’t preach an earthly political system, much to many people’s dismay at the time. All He did in regards to political systems was emphasising that people should submit to the authorities over them.

      Long haired preachers come out every night
      Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right
      But if you ask them for something to eat
      They will tell you in voices so sweet
      "You will eat, by and by, in that glorious land up in the sky!
      Work and pray, live on hay, you'll get pie in the sky, when you die" - that's a lie.
      

      The Preacher and the Slave

      Yeah, no thanks. If more people listened to your “submit to authority” bullshit, we’d still have chattel slavery. Fuck off with this bootlicking nonsense.

      You don’t think I should care about politics? Well my boss and my landlord do, and every day they’re working to make my life worse. It’s long past time to start fighting back. We didn’t start the class war. We just recognize it exists.