Potentially triggering, beware: belief is something reserved for everything outside of the material and observable, like the afterlife, God and values. Often people want material “evidence” as a prerequisite for belief but it just doesn’t work that way, there’s no necessary material connection between that and belief. Ofc, belief that cannot conform to one’s reason and understanding will never stand for long, but it has nothing to do with the world perceived by the senses, that’s what all scientific fields and tools are for!
When I say many people here/in the West don’t understand the nature of belief, that’s what I mean. They don’t stand for anything, they just accept the world through their senses and in the absence of values (again, belief), they can only default to consumerism and hedonism (because the senses say they feel good and that’s all one can “know” in the absence of belief).
Faith is the belief in something without evidence, or in the face of contradictory evidence
It’s choosing to believe without good reason
I’m never going to respect that.
To say that people have no values because they’re not part of some superstitious nonsense says a lot about you, as does your straw man of “consumerism and hedonism”
Like I said, if it goes against your understanding you’ll never truly believe it, not for long at least. It’s not choosing to believe with no “good reason”, it’s choosing to believe despite there being no relation at all between matters of fact (ascertained by the senses) and that. Check out Hume’s fork, it’s kinda like that. God is not in this world, God is necessarily outside of it and of a different nature (we’re data for God the programmer, we’re his free-willed Sims and the universe is a sandbox) so you can’t find Him here, through our senses, and added to that are the classical fork interdictions (e.g., moral statements cannot derive from matters of fact, one can simply not care).
And if you have some somewhat prosocial if not completely developed set of moral standards, well that’s great, I’m happy! Men are made good after all, hence the propaganda needed to turn one against each other.
Potentially triggering, beware: belief is something reserved for everything outside of the material and observable, like the afterlife, God and values. Often people want material “evidence” as a prerequisite for belief but it just doesn’t work that way, there’s no necessary material connection between that and belief. Ofc, belief that cannot conform to one’s reason and understanding will never stand for long, but it has nothing to do with the world perceived by the senses, that’s what all scientific fields and tools are for!
When I say many people here/in the West don’t understand the nature of belief, that’s what I mean. They don’t stand for anything, they just accept the world through their senses and in the absence of values (again, belief), they can only default to consumerism and hedonism (because the senses say they feel good and that’s all one can “know” in the absence of belief).
Faith is the belief in something without evidence, or in the face of contradictory evidence
It’s choosing to believe without good reason
I’m never going to respect that.
To say that people have no values because they’re not part of some superstitious nonsense says a lot about you, as does your straw man of “consumerism and hedonism”
Like I said, if it goes against your understanding you’ll never truly believe it, not for long at least. It’s not choosing to believe with no “good reason”, it’s choosing to believe despite there being no relation at all between matters of fact (ascertained by the senses) and that. Check out Hume’s fork, it’s kinda like that. God is not in this world, God is necessarily outside of it and of a different nature (we’re data for God the programmer, we’re his free-willed Sims and the universe is a sandbox) so you can’t find Him here, through our senses, and added to that are the classical fork interdictions (e.g., moral statements cannot derive from matters of fact, one can simply not care).
And if you have some somewhat prosocial if not completely developed set of moral standards, well that’s great, I’m happy! Men are made good after all, hence the propaganda needed to turn one against each other.
“Belief” and “values” are not synonymous and not dependant upon one another.
Values are a subset of things one can believe in.
I like that answer.