Yeah they should be fighting me lmao (not that I want to), I’m not ok with the app. It’s dogshit and so is the linux electron app, both barely work and break themselves all the time, the UI is overly complicated (even for some of the features I do like, like having three different passes [pass, recovery, and idr the third I had] was actually pretty sweet, but my less techy friends had issues, one lost his whole acct, yes he’s dumb but that ain’t changing, still love him lol). Even if another app actually worked (and last I saw ALL lack feature parity with Element) Matrix itself is still a metadata pissing AMDOCs (Israeli company, spied on US telcom, for those unaware) originated protocol, honestly I’m out on that alone.
I’m a Delta Chat supremacist lmao, down with Matrix.
I did some basic reading on the Amdocs links, and it appears Matthew and Amandine did not directly go there, but their previously employers were acquired by Amdocs, and their teams integrated with the new company. Considering they left that arrangement in 2017, I am inclined to kinda still trust them that matrix is designed to be private.
Do you have any links on the “metadata pissing” thingie? As far as I am informed to date, matrix did not send communication metadata for any given room to federated servers outside those servers who have users in the room?
I’ll try to find a link to the metadata issues, but for now I’ll just say it’s senders, receivers, timestamps, and room “joins” I think. Also reactions and read receipts aren’t encrypted for sure.
Sure, “only the various server admins get the metadata,” but when you don’t trust the admins of the largest and “default” server? That’s an issue. Also nothing stops [insert group that worries you] from spinning up a server to collect metadata, unless as I said you host your own separated server without any federation.
As for the AMDOCs connection, this is enough for me to be out, make your own decisions:
The initial project was created inside Amdocs, while building a chat tool called “Amdocs Unified Communications”,[6] by Matthew Hodgson and Amandine Le Pape. Amdocs then funded most of the development work from 2014 to October 2017.[7]
To be far, I find Matthew quite approachable from the official Matrix channels, so far he’s given me no reason to be suspicious - and Israel in 2017 was not nearly as bad as today’s Israel. Although yes, secure communications technologies from there shouldn’t be trusted even from 20 years ago.
However, I’d say the matrix protocol is more complex than “but it’s from Israel”.
Yeah they should be fighting me lmao (not that I want to), I’m not ok with the app. It’s dogshit and so is the linux electron app, both barely work and break themselves all the time, the UI is overly complicated (even for some of the features I do like, like having three different passes [pass, recovery, and idr the third I had] was actually pretty sweet, but my less techy friends had issues, one lost his whole acct, yes he’s dumb but that ain’t changing, still love him lol). Even if another app actually worked (and last I saw ALL lack feature parity with Element) Matrix itself is still a metadata pissing AMDOCs (Israeli company, spied on US telcom, for those unaware) originated protocol, honestly I’m out on that alone.
I’m a Delta Chat supremacist lmao, down with Matrix.
I did some basic reading on the Amdocs links, and it appears Matthew and Amandine did not directly go there, but their previously employers were acquired by Amdocs, and their teams integrated with the new company. Considering they left that arrangement in 2017, I am inclined to kinda still trust them that matrix is designed to be private. Do you have any links on the “metadata pissing” thingie? As far as I am informed to date, matrix did not send communication metadata for any given room to federated servers outside those servers who have users in the room?
I’ll try to find a link to the metadata issues, but for now I’ll just say it’s senders, receivers, timestamps, and room “joins” I think. Also reactions and read receipts aren’t encrypted for sure.
Sure, “only the various server admins get the metadata,” but when you don’t trust the admins of the largest and “default” server? That’s an issue. Also nothing stops [insert group that worries you] from spinning up a server to collect metadata, unless as I said you host your own separated server without any federation.
As for the AMDOCs connection, this is enough for me to be out, make your own decisions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(protocol)
To be far, I find Matthew quite approachable from the official Matrix channels, so far he’s given me no reason to be suspicious - and Israel in 2017 was not nearly as bad as today’s Israel. Although yes, secure communications technologies from there shouldn’t be trusted even from 20 years ago. However, I’d say the matrix protocol is more complex than “but it’s from Israel”.