• FishFace@piefed.social
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    8 hours ago

    Paradoxically, non-native speakers tend to be better at analysing this kind of thing ;) German for sure does not have a glottal stop between most words. “Das Kind” is /daskınt/ not /dasʔkınt/.

    I’m not sure if I’ve misunderstood you and this isn’t what you’re saying happens…

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      8 hours ago

      “Das Kind” is /daskınt/ not /dasʔkınt/.

      It absolutely is /dasʔkınt/ in the standard German I’ve grown up with. I’ve never heard anyone any native speaker pronounce it as /daskınt/.

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        3 hours ago

        Can you find a recording (not necessarily of someone saying “das kind”, but of any two words, the first ending and the second beginning with a consonant) where you can hear this glottal stop put in between? It should come from flowing speech, not the boundary of a clause or sentence where the speaker might insert an extra pause, of course. If you want to record yourself demonstrating it, that would be perfect but I appreciate you may not want to.

        Ideally also a recording of as much of the same sequence of sounds without it, for comparison, but that’s less important :)

        edit: realised I could give you an example myself. Here’s a recording from Wiktionary, a native speaker saying “aus Kindern werden Leute”. There is no glottal stop between any of the words.

        And while finding that I realised there is a point from the other direction: in precise speech, there is a glottal stop in German compounds where the second part starts with a vowel sound. So Spiegelei is listed in the Duden as having a glottal stop before the “Ei”.

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          3 hours ago

          If you provide storage to upload four audio .wav files (each about 400 KiB), I can send you samples generated by me speaking, then cloned with w-okada using a generic voice I believe is freely usable. It’s far from perfect, but it’s good enough for me to clearly tell which is which just by listening.