They actually are, cobalt mining is devastating for production of iPhones produced on an annual basis for the profit motive. Copyright is a liberal value IMO, I don’t really care for respecting it anyways.
No, you literally are. Also, not sure what data centres have to do with anything since the models we’re talking about can be run locally. I love how you trolls just memorize a handful of talking points that you regurgitate without even trying to fit them into the context.
“Cannot criticise capitalism while existing in capitalism”, “Should not criticise the British colonisation, because they built some trains in colonised India. Indians who used it cannot criticise the colonisation” logic?
I do not subscribe to that logic.
GenAI is built by capitalists, but the data n info is mostly not theirs. Ending up reliant on their tool would be the bad thing.
And tactical boycotts can be good, lime how we Indians had a period where we boycotted British products. But it had an aim. Is there a current formal aim?
That’s not what the guy is saying. He’s saying AI is the product of capitalism and you’re trying to criticize capitalism by using one of its product, which is ironic. Just make the meme yourself (no matter how it turns out) instead of using AI.
The content of the meme is not the issue here but how it is made.
It isn’t at all ironic to use tools created within the boundaries of capitalism to critique it. This is just a retread of conservatives doing the “socialism is when no iPhone” meme. Marxism is not a moral philosophy. We will not throw out all of the tools built up by capitalism when we establish socialism, we will own them collectively and run them in the interests of the working classes.
But are we there yet? Or if not then does it help when AI is being used by common people when corpos are the one controlling it? Doesn’t this justify their point that people need their AI? It’s wonderful to think AI as a tool collectively owned by the people but unfortunately that’s not the case currently.
We aren’t there, sure. That doesn’t mean any LLM generated image is inherently morally wrong or upholding capitalism, just like any hammer isn’t upholding capitalism.
Windows is owned by corpos and so is the phone you are using currently, ergo everything you do online is pro capitalist. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Hundreds of companies have AI products, a lot of them are completely free to run on your computer. But obviously, I can’t make any kind of distinction, especially when the media is telling me all AI is bad, so I aggressively inquire and demand that all my memes are made on Linux without AI, using a computer built by a commune which cannot be connected to the Internet (all ISPs are a product of capitalism). I then send these memes by pigeon mail.
Doesn’t mean I owe them anything and you certainly wouldn’t appreciate when just one of them get the monopoly over everyone. “windows”, “ms paint” and “smart phone in my hand” sure were part of capitalism but they were made in the favor of end users cause the said users had other options to move to. The compitition kept them in check and be beneficial to society. If they were the monopoly you’d be stuck with a licence to what they think you deserve.
Bro, every reason you used can be applied to AI, except it’s a lot less monolithic and capitalistic than computers and phones.
Do you understand the dissonance? You take no issue with a whole load of things but if it’s AI, suddenly, you have a plethora of arguments. It’s pure hypocrisy imo.
Your problem isn’t what’s behind it and acting like three companies own all AI is being purposely ignorant in any case. OpenAI doesn’t own image generation.
Cannot criticise capitalism while existing in capitalism
Not what they’re saying. Critiquing your specific use of a specific tool is not the same as critiquing participation in capitalist society or consumption of capitalist goods.
Seeing as how the comment we’re both referring to is still there for you to read and it mentions the use of AI to generate an image macro, and not any travel for any purpose on board a train in India, I’m going to give you just one guess as to what tool you think Im referring to.
You said “Critiquing your specific use of a specific tool is not the same as critiquing participation in capitalist society or consumption of capitalist goods.”
“AIGen” is a specific tool, just like “trains in india”. Your counterpoint was already addressed in the comment you replied to (the one with the trains), if you count “trains in india” as a specific tool like “AI Gen”. Hence my question.
You said “Critiquing your specific use of a specific tool is not the same as critiquing participation in capitalist society or consumption of capitalist goods.”
Yeah, I did. And in my response I also laid that out for you. Yet you somehow ignored that and instead pretend using any tool for any reason is what is being discussed now? And you’re taking the side of using any tool for any reason, so can I safely assume you assume killing people is awesome since knives are tools too and they’re used for murder sometimes? I figure that must be the case, since I described the difference between the two “tools” and the specific usecase here, yet that somehow went right past you, so it must not matter to you. Kind of fucked up of you to support people being blown up with dynamite btw. Wild you support using tools to construct F-35s and other bombs used by the imperialist warmachine.
By the way, trains aren’t tools, unless we expand the definition of tool in the context of this discussion to include all modes of transportation, and at that point it seems like an almost pointless descriptor.
Use your brain before commenting. The people who made the five year plan are communists, is what I said.
The country is socialist.
And I will not permit capitalist bootlickers to steal the credit of the people living in socialism. China made every tool you own. China made every useful AI. China made all the rare earths used in everything more complex than a hammer. Socialism did that.
Capitalism didn’t do shit, the only things they made are trash cans that cost 40000$, extra annoying ads, and radlibs.
No, its just socialist. Socialism is a transitory state towards communism. Presence of capitalist elements does not make a state less socialist, as long as it is run by a dictatorship of the proletariat, which it is.
Could be racism, but could be misdirected anger at AI too.
I think people should direct it at the corps which own and direct the AI, developing it by taking content without remuneration, especially when AI content can create copies and reduce chances of work for the people whose content is taken. Ultimately it seems to be an issue of capitalist ownership. Specific attention to it is good.
I also understand the issue of using AI for important things, creating reports, etc. with how AI can hallucinate and people being more aware there.
But I don’t see the issue with an AI meme? Are they afraid that it is not human? But AI is trained on human data, developed by humans and used by humans too. Like, if their issue is AI ‘stealing’ stuff in the case of a meme, then are not most memes using the screenshots from movies, series’, YouTube videos etc. are used without prior permission or remuneration?
So, the aspect is indeed the issue of job security for regular people vs corpos who do not care about public wellbeing, broadly the issue of capitalist ownership, right?
And I explained that wether or not you see it differently than me does not affect my opinion on it being slop.
“Yes / No” templates are the most common style of meme out there. Have your pick or make a new one. Theres thousands. Or draw stick figures like the old days.
And a yes or no template is not what would be good for this.
Also, would it not be better to use this template than popular templates like the drake onez since he has some problematic accusations on him?
Comrade, this is a reactionary viewpoint. Marxism is not a moral philosophy. Arguments against capitalism are not based on the idea that private property or certain tools are “morally impure.”
Then what is inherently wrong with slop for a meme? There’s plenty to criticize from a materialist standpoint, but it’s important that we maintain that standpoint.
Not created by me.
And as an Indian, I do not have an issue with the AI image, as long as it improves awareness.
GenAI is a product of the capitalists you’re criticizing. You’re being hypocritical by using it.
So are iPhones, this is just a retread of the “you critique capitalism but use an iPhone, curious” conservative joke.
IPhones aren’t boiling the planet or violating copyright when you use them to make a meme.
Lol, Westerners are a fucking joke. Fuck copyright law btw
They actually are, cobalt mining is devastating for production of iPhones produced on an annual basis for the profit motive. Copyright is a liberal value IMO, I don’t really care for respecting it anyways.
I’d agree if the tool wasn’t an existential threat to humanity. Making memes doesn’t really justify its use
way to fall for tech bro marketing hype https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claxN4oxDuY
No, I’m not, unless data centers doing things like illegally running dozens of natural gas generators is just tech bro marketing hype.
No, you literally are. Also, not sure what data centres have to do with anything since the models we’re talking about can be run locally. I love how you trolls just memorize a handful of talking points that you regurgitate without even trying to fit them into the context.
“Cannot criticise capitalism while existing in capitalism”, “Should not criticise the British colonisation, because they built some trains in colonised India. Indians who used it cannot criticise the colonisation” logic?
I do not subscribe to that logic.
GenAI is built by capitalists, but the data n info is mostly not theirs. Ending up reliant on their tool would be the bad thing.
And tactical boycotts can be good, lime how we Indians had a period where we boycotted British products. But it had an aim. Is there a current formal aim?
That’s not what the guy is saying. He’s saying AI is the product of capitalism and you’re trying to criticize capitalism by using one of its product, which is ironic. Just make the meme yourself (no matter how it turns out) instead of using AI.
The content of the meme is not the issue here but how it is made.
It isn’t at all ironic to use tools created within the boundaries of capitalism to critique it. This is just a retread of conservatives doing the “socialism is when no iPhone” meme. Marxism is not a moral philosophy. We will not throw out all of the tools built up by capitalism when we establish socialism, we will own them collectively and run them in the interests of the working classes.
But are we there yet? Or if not then does it help when AI is being used by common people when corpos are the one controlling it? Doesn’t this justify their point that people need their AI? It’s wonderful to think AI as a tool collectively owned by the people but unfortunately that’s not the case currently.
We aren’t there, sure. That doesn’t mean any LLM generated image is inherently morally wrong or upholding capitalism, just like any hammer isn’t upholding capitalism.
True, but it is more of about who is pulling the strings rather than who is underneath.
How does using an LLM for a meme support capitalists in any different a way using a hammer does?
Windows is owned by corpos and so is the phone you are using currently, ergo everything you do online is pro capitalist. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Hundreds of companies have AI products, a lot of them are completely free to run on your computer. But obviously, I can’t make any kind of distinction, especially when the media is telling me all AI is bad, so I aggressively inquire and demand that all my memes are made on Linux without AI, using a computer built by a commune which cannot be connected to the Internet (all ISPs are a product of capitalism). I then send these memes by pigeon mail.
Doesn’t mean I owe them anything and you certainly wouldn’t appreciate when just one of them get the monopoly over everyone. “windows”, “ms paint” and “smart phone in my hand” sure were part of capitalism but they were made in the favor of end users cause the said users had other options to move to. The compitition kept them in check and be beneficial to society. If they were the monopoly you’d be stuck with a licence to what they think you deserve.
Bro, every reason you used can be applied to AI, except it’s a lot less monolithic and capitalistic than computers and phones.
Do you understand the dissonance? You take no issue with a whole load of things but if it’s AI, suddenly, you have a plethora of arguments. It’s pure hypocrisy imo.
Your problem isn’t what’s behind it and acting like three companies own all AI is being purposely ignorant in any case. OpenAI doesn’t own image generation.
MS paint is a product of capitalism
Not what they’re saying. Critiquing your specific use of a specific tool is not the same as critiquing participation in capitalist society or consumption of capitalist goods.
a specific tool like “trains in india”?
Seeing as how the comment we’re both referring to is still there for you to read and it mentions the use of AI to generate an image macro, and not any travel for any purpose on board a train in India, I’m going to give you just one guess as to what tool you think Im referring to.
You said “Critiquing your specific use of a specific tool is not the same as critiquing participation in capitalist society or consumption of capitalist goods.”
“AIGen” is a specific tool, just like “trains in india”. Your counterpoint was already addressed in the comment you replied to (the one with the trains), if you count “trains in india” as a specific tool like “AI Gen”. Hence my question.
Yeah, I did. And in my response I also laid that out for you. Yet you somehow ignored that and instead pretend using any tool for any reason is what is being discussed now? And you’re taking the side of using any tool for any reason, so can I safely assume you assume killing people is awesome since knives are tools too and they’re used for murder sometimes? I figure that must be the case, since I described the difference between the two “tools” and the specific usecase here, yet that somehow went right past you, so it must not matter to you. Kind of fucked up of you to support people being blown up with dynamite btw. Wild you support using tools to construct F-35s and other bombs used by the imperialist warmachine.
By the way, trains aren’t tools, unless we expand the definition of tool in the context of this discussion to include all modes of transportation, and at that point it seems like an almost pointless descriptor.
A big share of AI is made in china under the five-year plan, which makes it a product of the communists.
Lol, China isn’t communist. It’s a mix of socialism and capitalism.
Use your brain before commenting. The people who made the five year plan are communists, is what I said.
The country is socialist.
And I will not permit capitalist bootlickers to steal the credit of the people living in socialism. China made every tool you own. China made every useful AI. China made all the rare earths used in everything more complex than a hammer. Socialism did that.
Capitalism didn’t do shit, the only things they made are trash cans that cost 40000$, extra annoying ads, and radlibs.
There it is. The liberal larping as a leftist LMAO
No, its just socialist. Socialism is a transitory state towards communism. Presence of capitalist elements does not make a state less socialist, as long as it is run by a dictatorship of the proletariat, which it is.
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Could be racism, but could be misdirected anger at AI too.
I think people should direct it at the corps which own and direct the AI, developing it by taking content without remuneration, especially when AI content can create copies and reduce chances of work for the people whose content is taken. Ultimately it seems to be an issue of capitalist ownership. Specific attention to it is good.
I also understand the issue of using AI for important things, creating reports, etc. with how AI can hallucinate and people being more aware there.
But I don’t see the issue with an AI meme? Are they afraid that it is not human? But AI is trained on human data, developed by humans and used by humans too. Like, if their issue is AI ‘stealing’ stuff in the case of a meme, then are not most memes using the screenshots from movies, series’, YouTube videos etc. are used without prior permission or remuneration?
So, the aspect is indeed the issue of job security for regular people vs corpos who do not care about public wellbeing, broadly the issue of capitalist ownership, right?
Okay? Its still AI slop and I still find it bad to use it when you could have made your own meme in no time at all, no matter your nationality.
Then make one yourself?
Okay? I said that I do not see it like you, because of how it talked about an aspect that is not generally mentioned.
Anyway, any meme template recommendations?
And I explained that wether or not you see it differently than me does not affect my opinion on it being slop.
“Yes / No” templates are the most common style of meme out there. Have your pick or make a new one. Theres thousands. Or draw stick figures like the old days.
Okay. Thank you for your opinion then
And a yes or no template is not what would be good for this.
Also, would it not be better to use this template than popular templates like the drake onez since he has some problematic accusations on him?
Youre using a slopified yes/no meme. And there’s hundreds, just use another than the Drake one.
edit: Edited to be less antagonistic.
Comrade, this is a reactionary viewpoint. Marxism is not a moral philosophy. Arguments against capitalism are not based on the idea that private property or certain tools are “morally impure.”
I’m not arguing from some standpoint of AI slop being “morally impure”.
Then what is inherently wrong with slop for a meme? There’s plenty to criticize from a materialist standpoint, but it’s important that we maintain that standpoint.
Kindly stop being needlessly aggressive.
If not, please block me and direct your comments towards some other place.
I can think of a reason why you are so angry at this meme. But, not going to ask about your nationality or POV on such things, to not escalate.
I’ll block you to avoid that escalation
Alright, my apologies.
What are you doing? Why are you acting like this? I don’t care if you’re right, you’re acting like shit.
My bad. Appreciate the callout.
…Wait, really? Holy shit, that never works. We’re good, big dawg.