In an attempt to better understand Lemmy I’m wondering if some of you can shed a light on what the deal is between.ml and .world. The history, any significant event or a betrayal, how did we all run away from spez only to come here and throw mud at each other?
I’m sure it confuses a great deal of Reddit refugees who just signed up with the largest instance because of (in my case future proofing) reasons.
I’m wondering how this historic feud came to be and how I can be called a “Zionist” just because of my instance, and they are called “fascists” even though I’ve come across some pretty levelheaded people from that instance too.
Please, keep it civil!
I’m not trying to start a fight or mud slinging, it would be good if several people could say their piece and nobody shame or attack them for it no matter how much you disagree.
Thanks
Interesting misrepresentation of those three instances, I’d better phrase it as “users on the three support countries that directly undermine western Imperialism when forced to choose between western imperialism or other countries.” Virtually all members there understand “critical support,” which is when you support a cause overall but are still critical of aspects of it.
I don’t think that could be further from the truth.
I think you’re do propagandized, you wouldn’t know truth if you look it in the face, as evidenced by your comments.
Oh, do you have evidence or is this just vibes?
Years of direct personal experience at this point, the vast majority I’ve interacted with have been pathologically idealistic and manichean. Maybe I just happen to interact with an extremely vocal minority, maybe. But in any case “virtually all” is patently ridiculous.
if someone is constantly running into bad faith attacks against socialist states and cold war propaganda, they’re going to tend to lead with defense rather than internal critique. that’s not the same as having no critique.
Interesting, because my 4 years of experience I have found less than 5, which is why I said “virtually none.” Have you considered that maybe your own actions have caused people to galvanize against your opinions? Many who practice critical support don’t break it down for people when the interlocutor is obviously obstante.
Ahh yes, undermine western imperialism. Unashamedly deepthroat Russian/Chinese imperialism. You are very smart!
Found the tankie.
Good to know that blocking the instance doesn’t block its users. God dammit. Can’t you tell the people on your conspiracy server to fix that so I don’t have to endure you?
And you’re “that kind” of asatreau so careful with that salute.
The best fix is to log out and never return.
Okay, enlightened Westerner.
This obsession with east vs west is paradigmatic of tankie tribalist ideology. They can’t conceive of someone who doesn’t obsess over nationality or ethnic and cultural loyalties. Humans are humans. We should fight to be free from state oppression. Not complicated.
When you guys get on board with putting a stop to the marauding, plundering, pillaging, genocide, sexual assault, genocide, and coups, not to mention wage suppression so you can have cheap gas and trinkets, those of us with a conscience would stop obsessing. Not complicated.
It’s not “loyalties”, but culturally informed/derived ideology and attitudes and the particular brand of propaganda people are getting. This is observable, and you’re not thinking clearly about this.
State propaganda exists to engender loyalty to the regime. That’s the whole point.
They are quick to jump on any “western” wrongdoing, but equally quick to dismiss much worse from their own tribe. Because they are tribalists and nationalists who favor some nations over others — because they’re brainfucked by propaganda, as you said.
Jesus Christ, operations gladio and condor, couping/embargoing/sanctioning every government that tried differently isn’t enough?
I think you missed my point.
And uhh, maybe the actual tankies that people hate so much, but that’s not what I see on .ml, at least in my limited experience. And I have no horse in this race (I’ve not only been banned/silenced on .ml a couple of times but I’m also a believer, which is usually frowned upon in these circles, for reasons I somewhat understand), I just see the enmity/friction between instances for what it is: traditional and dishonest Western imperialists who uphold the status quo but also care about optics (and because of the latter, would never admit it unlike their “MAGA” siblings who, being challenged, actually think being inhuman and coercive for material gain are positive attributes) and those who call them out for it. Whoever complains about “tankies on Lemmy” on the regular is just telling on themselves, basically.
lol no. No, there aren’t western operatives trying to fight tankies on Lemmy from a leftist perspective… You seriously believe it’s an operation before you’d believe it’s the typical tribalist infighting that occurs in nearly any diverse political group??
Tankies just have the distinction of being massive hypocrites basically at face value of their ignorant fuckhead beliefs. Just like most any communist that unashamedly sucks off the CCP.
Nobody said anything about operatives, I think you misread me. These are “regular people” acting the only way they know how and often just getting offended for being called out for it, and then it’s all “tankie this tankie that”.
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