I was thinking about the phrase ‘The pot calling the kettle black’. It comes from a time where cooking was done over open fires and cookware would become visibly ashy. (Fun fact: It first appears and was perhaps coined by Cervantes in Don Quixote!)

What are some other idioms that have lost their literal connection to time? What would be a good modern replacement?

  • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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    19 hours ago

    Oh, man, when it comes to nautical idioms, I could go on all day. There are so many, and they’ve lost their literal connections so thoroughly, you probably don’t even think of some of them as idioms. A few that occur to me immediately:

    • taken aback (wind on the wrong side of the sails)
    • give a wide berth (extra space for a vessel to maneuver)
    • leeway (unwanted downwind slippage of the vessel when in motion)
    • above board (on deck, the board being the section of the hull running fore and aft just above the water line)
    • onboard (to load onto the deck of the ship)
    • go by the board (to fall off of the ship into the water, passing the board on the way)
    • hand over fist (two-handed motion to pull in sails, ropes, etc. as quickly as possible)
    • high and dry (above the tide line)
    • loose cannon (a gun insufficiently secured would cause havoc on a warship when fired, or as the ship rolled in waves)

    Honestly, I’m not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

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      9 hours ago

      Honestly, I’m not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

      I do love the imagery of “loose Canon”, and by “love” I mean that as it’s been described and depicted, it’s a truly horrifying situation. So it makes for a really visceral image.

      A quick aside: there’s this murder mystery/logic puzzle game called “the Return of the Obra Dinn” that takes place on a merchant ship. The game is basically like a series of still frame dioramas that you have to analyze and figure out what’s going on. There’s a particularly striking scene with a cannon which breaks loose from its chains and several unfortunate sailors. It took me a long time to actually find the third sailor in the scene… (There wasn’t a lot left)

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      9 hours ago

      I thought “by the boards” referred to losing the mast specifically snapped off right at the deck.

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      10 hours ago

      Very nice! Amazing how ingrained they’ve become. “That new recruit is a car without brakes” just doesn’t ring the same does it?