Calling IRC a shitty standard sure is a take.
More standards! A million standards! A kaleidescope of possibilities, for every preference
Based
What’s wrong with XMPP?
It evolves too slow.
I mean, in so much less time, Matrix has just got better.
Meanwhile, essential XEPs for modern usability (as the 0503) are undervalued because they’re all old and rigid people who refuse do to (justified) changes.
essential XEPs for modern usability (as the 0503) are undervalued
Interesting.
in so much less time, Matrix has just got better.
AFAIK Matrix still has the same decryption issues. I won’t go into all of its other criticism (unless the thread goes that way).
But I have observed that Movim for instance has matured a lot over the past year. It now has communities and has added many other user experience features.
Yeah, but Movim (and Gajim) are the exception that confirms the rule. Movim do implement that XEP, at least, but Gajim has only been discussing it for a while without any real conclusion.
In short, this comment
Edit: But yeah, the Olm/Megolm issue hasn’t been properly addressed, but as for the other features they look like they’re speedrunning while doing them just right.
Nobody to talk to
Seriously. Is this a protocol issue?
I hate the original “14 standards” xkcd comic with a passion. People should try shit and see if it works, if multiple standards works then compatibility layers/bridges will also be built.
I’m happy that multiple DE exist, I love having multiple choice for my init system (and I say this while liking a lot of what systemD offer), bootloader, text editor, etc…
See you have to be careful because with that approach you can get a USB c situation
One thing is that, another thing is centralisation around a rigid and, sometimes, even badly aged standard just because of “you shouldn’t create any more standards!”.
New standards should absolutely be created because that means that there are more options for different profiles, and also that there will be more chances for the issues on existing standards to be addressed.
Consider me ignorant but whats the USB-C situation ?
I am guessing that they are referring to the situation, that while all usb-c can be connected to each other you can have very different ones. Fast data transfer and slow. 10 watt and 100 watt and so on
Fair enough, but isnt most of that circumvented by getting good cables ?
Tbh USB-C was a godsend I bought in early but I prefer having to grapple wether my cables are up to par than if I have a fitting one at all :D
I find the current situation much better than having 33 usb standards and a cable for each and 99 adapters…
So yes it is better. Every usbc cable will work (also I think there are less “power only” cables now)
Yes, the current situation with a baseline is definitely better than what it was before.
ONE PLUG FOR EVERYTHING.
just hope the plug has the right pinout, and the cable the right capacity.
that explains my fucking headlight what is refusing to charge about 25%. slapped a better cable on there and it’s getting up to 50% now.
i just want it to last 60 miles dammit.
That’s not on USB C mate. Shitty products will always exist. Like some can only be powered/charged from USB A to C, not C to C, since they didn’t add a resistor to the CC line. A microscopic sub 1 cent part.
Fediverse is better at everything except onboarding. The access methods are complicated and ill explained for users who expect and app and simple signup. Regular users have no idea what an instance is. Even people who are TRYING to join the fediverse willingly pile in lemmy.world because it’s the default on most apps. There needs to be a round robin assigner to instances that opt in in order to spread users around who don’t care which general instance they join.
The fediverse feels like old internet which I like but is also a barrier to people just looking for easy alternatives.
Onboarding is the same as for email, which most people seem to pass just fine. Fedi instance is analogous to an email provider. I would even vouch to move from the ‘<some fedi type> instance’ hosting-based terminology to the ‘<some fedi type> provider’ user-centric terminology.
IMO it’s the content discovery across instances and the subtler implications of your chosen provider that are harder to grasp.
The average person has Gmail or Apple Mail because that’s what their phone had them set up, or (unfortunately) just uses their work email for everything. They’re not out there weighing alternatives.
Normies tend to stick with the first email they are signed up for. For a lot of younger Gen Z email is a non factor.
Meanwhile everyone is using Discord (still after Chinese funding, enshittification, age verification)
A fringe moved to non federated options Fluxer Haven Stoat
Matrix is too expensive to host, xmpp has no clients to use IRC can’t even edit a message.
There are plenty of XMPP clients out there that work great… finding one that supports all the features you actually care about…now that’s the hard part. XMPP has too many opt in extensions and it’s very hit and miss with clients
A bare minimum includes: Editing, notifications, 1-1 calls, group calls voip, emoji reactions, discord servers aka matrix space aka fluxer community, mobile app.
Sorry but nothing in the xmpp space gets close. I’m looking for a viable Discord alternative not a gTalk competitor from 10 years ago.
Yes, you basically restated my point, I’m not really disagreeing, but saying there aren’t any clients isn’t really the case either.
The problem is that the only one XEP that could allow for a Discord-like UX (XEP-0503: Server-Side Spaces) that, let’s admit, is the best one for many (I, in example, prefer that UX over the IRC or plain contacts + MUCs list UX [like, the WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram or most XMPP clients), is only actually used in one client (Movim), and only other one has discussed implementing it (Gajim, that has something like a Client-Side Spaces impl that is really prone to break up), has only done that, discuss it.
And why it’s a Discord-like UX better, in my opinion?
Because it allows for more structured, focused and topic-based conversation and discussion. That’s why that UX has gotten so popular among not only gamers, but also among students, freelancers, creative groups, or even scientists and companies. It’s less prone to become a mess than a plain list where everything is mixed up.
Editing messages is for cowards. Just dno’t make mistake.
Hahaha
That reminds me, I should try to set up a Bolt bridge for my Discord-Stoat server pair again.
IRC can’t even edit a message.
you say that like if it were a bad thing
*You say that as if it were a bad thing.
Why is matrix expensive?
If someone uploads a photo or video, the server hosts it and sends to everyone.
Expensive
Just don’t federate, it isn’t expensive then!
Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work? What’s the alternate model?
I think they meant each server hosts the same files, not just the home server.
Here’s how Fluxer plans on doing it: https://fluxer.app/blog/roadmap-2026#why-polyproto-and-not-matrix
Can you choose to host it without video and limited image size?
You can limit upload size.
Chinese funding, nothing wrong with that. A CEO funding genocide however.
Someone is an optimist…
Why photoshop an XKCD comic?
I assume they mean the new standard, good or bad as it might be, simply isn’t adopted, so we are still stuck with the 14 bad ones
Edit: I misread it, but this would also make for a good variation of the original :P
I read it more like the new, better standard is never developed because someone used the real xkcd as an argument against making the new standard
Oh wow yeah not sure how i didn’t notice that she responds with the original comic, you’re absolutely right
I have another way to see it: There is a good new standard but the bad old ones stick around. Like Torx, there is still a ton of Philips etc.
I know. Hence the change, there can be good standards but they do not magically make the others disappear.
Pretty sure it’s trying to say these people would have maybe made a better standard, but didn’t try because they read the original comic and didn’t want to make a 15th shitty standard.
“Why Photoshop an XKCD comic?” because they were making a point directly related to the XKCD comic?
Why use two different 4 fonts though
I genuinely thought it was a reference to the other four thing currently happening…
