how?
One answer is IPO. Reddit took a nosedive so hard that it made the Titanic look like a fantasy.
My main take is; no down votes without a comment is my take. If you don’t like my opinion, tell me why. This will mess up bots because it llm generated answers are becoming easier to discern.
Prevent corporations from ever gaining foothold here. Even slightest presence should be considered to be similar as to some invasive and rapidly spreading meatmoss and equally disgusting too.
too late.
that is external thing, cant expect to have any control over it in the first place. I think its more like leech than infection point at this point anyway. But if we ever start to just accept it and go “it is what it is” with this too, then that is the first step to things going bad.
Enshittification happens when the quality of the service becomes second class to some other goal like making money, building digital surveillance or a psyops platform. As long as Lemmy stays open source, that will not happen, since every move towards anything like that would be immediately obvious.
The problem has already been fixed. What needs to be done is keeping it fixed.
self-hosting, smaller more thematically-focused instances, and aggressively defederating any instance that hosts ads or propaganda
Do you mean enshittification as a general term meaning that the overall quality will slip? Because the specific meaning by Cory Doctorow is about centralized commercial platforms. The fediverse isn’t one
one any social media gets popular it gets awful, because people are awful.
I wouldn’t worry about that
Very simply, we jump ship from any server that starts down that dark path. Keep it impossible for any single company to exercise any meaningful control over the fediverse.
You don’t. It’s cyclical. Regardless of any future enshittification, the world will keep on turning.
Enshittification is not the worry. However we’re extremely vulnerable to spam and dead internet.
Since it is federated and open source, just create a new instance.
With hookers and blackjack
In fact, forget the new instance
As long as it’s not shitty 6:5 blackjack. Bring me that good 3:2 shit.
But you can only split once and no doubling after split.
If there’s no blow im out
I can get behind both of these 🤠
Yeah, run your instance, don’t let shitheads on it, and block shitty instances.
that’s a great idea
What does “enshittification” mean? How is it caused?
Basically, it can happen when one company (or a few companies) dominates a market, so they can gradually make shit worse for everyone, trying to make just a bit more money.
Federation is the solution. As long as there are many servers, run by different owners and administrators, any single server can only fuck itself over.
That is why the open source community likes protocols, interoperability, APIs, and federation. No single software package, or server, should control the entire market. Single-point failure means brittle architecture, whether through accident or intent.
Enshittification is a result of commercialisation.
The Forumverse cannot be commercialised. If an instance starts showing advertisements, its users will migrate to ones that don’t.
I don’t think this network can enshittify.
A complex example of this is Threads™️
It’s the largest Mastodon interfacing instance (much larger than mastodon.social) otoh Threads is blocked by most instances and actual federated interaction aren’t remotely common.
The decentralized nature of it already prevents it being enshittified. If one instance turns to shit, others will be made to take its place.
On the other hand, the decentralized nature completely prevents the blocking of scrapers, spam, etc.
It does not prevent either of those things. It just makes it harder to eliminate universally since every instance is ran differently and may or may not have been set up properly with good tools that help stop those things.
Tell me how to prevent scraping in a federated setting. I’ll wait.
If you want to scrape, you just create your own instance
Doesn’t matter how others are configured - at least for scraping
That’s not really scraping, and you can block other instances from caching your instance’s posts.
It kinda works like ublock origin where a block list makes the block coverage MUCH faster. Its already happening in some parts of the fediverse. As long as its disclosed, its a very reliable tool.
How do you block something that is scraping the content to train LLMs?
Sort answer you cant (federation). Long answer, you can but with a lot of effort.
You can however fuck with LLMs VERY easily. Poisoning it is relatively easy.
oh great
Just like everything else. Nothing stays unshitty forever.
Don’t become a publically tradable company for starters.
