“buy an ev you stupid fuckers”,
Why don’t you show them gas prices for the rest of the country?
Just make something up that you find funny. There is no point engaging in reality.
Say Newsom actually passed legislation that lowered prices act but trump over turned it because hes brought and paid for by the oil and gas lobby.
Whatever they reply just make up something that directly counters it. Let them see how it feels to try and debunk bullshit 24/7
I love you.
“Goodbye.”
Tell them to “get good” then drink the remaining gasoline in their fuel tank without breaking eye contact to establish dominance
Plot twist: they don’t live in California
Two options:
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Link obvious rise to “no new wars” Iran Epstein War (bring up Epstein relentlessly).
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Say it’s wild how California is outsmarting Trump. Guess he’s a terrible incompetent leader who cannot outsmart California let alone Iran.
You need to also start fucking with their algorithms. Inject some reality into their phones etc.
The algoritm part is huge, I have read other posts about people who managed to get their parents at least partway back from the MAGA swamp by simply curating their video watch history and subscribing to cute animal channels.
I have been curating my own YT watch history for more than a decade at this point, and damn, it makes YT so much bareble.
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“Shut the fuck up. I’m not playing this game anymore. Goodbye.”
Two options.
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Remind them that they are stupid and that California’s air quality used to be way worse before stricter fuel refinement and SMOG laws. As a Californian I can literally confirm this within my own lifetime.
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Stop speaking to them like I’ve done with all the dipshit conservatives in my orbit because you’ll never change them so why waste your time on lost causes? The only possible catalyst for change is them losing their loved ones due to their own ignorance but, realistically, that same ignorance will prevent them from accepting that it’s their own fault.
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Tell them to move. Living on the West Coast is a privilege. If they don’t like it they are free to leave.
Also, it’s not the taxes that cause the price of gas to fluctuate daily, it’s supply and demand of things like crude oil. Trump’s stupid war in Iran has caused oil prices to spike globally, and this is easy to prove.
Don’t bother engaging. They will not change their mind, you will not change yours. All roads lead to friction.
Yes, I also don’t talk to my parents much.
Did they bitch about gas prices under biden and solely blame him? If so, ask what’s different now. See if they can point to state level changes that affected gas prices.
This is assuming they would at least attempt a good faith argument. If not, I’d just laugh and imply they have the mentality of a child thinking they figured out the world and are dead wrong. Like listen to their inane rants and just kinda chuckle as if it’s impressive they built such a convoluted plot in their head.
You can’t logic someone out of something they didn’t logic themselves into.
There is no solution here.
In my own similar situation, I have come to the conclusion that it’s bigger than any single issue. You can’t reason any of these folks out of it, because a major factor is their belief that they are always, always right regardless of what the truth may be.
You can show them the math. You can cite paper after paper. You can try whatever you want and none of it will stick. Even if they claim otherwise, they think they’re right and you’re wrong. The closest you’ll get is appeasement.
Agree, the best thing to do is to say something like “I have a life beyond politics, and I don’t want to sit here talking about politics all day”. Then if they insist on talking politics, leave.
The sad thing is that most of these people don’t have a personality anymore, it’s been completely lost to the dopamine drip that is facebook feeds. Engaging them on politics only does the same thing as on their feeds, and that gives them excitement and dopamine. If you get them to disengage they start to feel agitated, because they suddenly realize they’re bored.
it’s been completely lost to the dopamine drip that is facebook feeds.
Yup. Social media is also a common thread. (Pun intended)
The same people who told their children not to believe everything they read on the internet are now the ones constantly believing it, to catastrophic effect. Regardless of what they feel about themselves, it really does look like many or most of these “conservatives” are basically addicted to that dopamine kick. Such addictions have just never been so impactful on the world at large before.
I agree, based on my own experiences,.that no logic or reason can reach these people. I think we can move the conversation forward by admitting that there is a strong human instinct toward fascism. It’s in our DNA to salute the tallest thing in the room because ancestors that didn’t were purged. Those of us who can reason and maintain values are the exception to this flaw.
But is there another way to reach them on an emotional or instinctive level? Hope springs eternal in me, and I can’t help but feel the solution involves denying them their group identity and making a mockery and shaming them as pariahs for their bad behavior.
These days, the fact is that no MAGA scum is a conservative. They are radical revolutionaries, more naive than the most extreme patchouli scented hippies of the 1960s, who have abandoned their Christianity to worship a man who said the constitution should be dissolved simply because he lost a court case. I think this is the key, but I must admit, I’ve never been able to turn one of them. Sagan was right about the deep seated human instinct to ignore shameful evidence when one is tricked.
“Have the day you voted for.”
They should move to Alabama and experience the conservative rule they want. Then they should stay there.
