Where I live we use sunflower oil because sunflowers are growing here while, let’s say, olives – don’t. I suppose Italians would use olive oil as a default variant.
That’s the other thing that is never mentioned in these food debates, people from a place with a given genetics that have adapted to eating specific locally available foods can do poorly eating what is considered healthy elsewhere
And it’s not just genetics that are local. Gut microbes matter a ton for how you digest food, and it’s determined by where you live and what you eat. The immune system matters too, this is why travelers diarrhea is a thing. And that is also diet dependent: one who doesn’t regularly eat seafood will easily catch viral gastrointestinal infections from eating clams for example.
So there is no single global “healthy diet” for everyone, you got to start from what’s available locally and what your people eat, and tweak that as necessary.
AFAIK based on my own myopic experience, they also use seed oils for frying and alike, except from few very specific oil-based sauces and dishes (e.g. cooking garlic).
Then there can easily be some random Italian Chef that will swear seed oil is the devil and it’s turning us gay.
That depends on who you ask. Some people say they contain excessive omega-6 acids, linolenic acid, vitamin E, and other stuff that negatively affects insulin absorption and contributes to inflammation in the body.
Others claim they’re a super food, they make fried food good for you, and you shouldn’t use anything else. These people are usually regurgitating dumb/useless things they heard on a trendy cooking channel.
The truth, of course, is likely somewhere in the middle.
I mean omega-3, 6, linolenic acid and vitamin E vary wildly between different seeds’ oils so I’m sure as an informed consumer one can just leave that flame war alone and figure out by themself that the aforementioned criticism is true for sunflower oils for example but rapeseed oil has a fantastic fatty acid composition and is great for cooking while linseed oil is even better but not really suited for cooking and should instead be limited to cold dishes. To blanket “seed oils” as bad for cooking is just braindead.
No. Don’t listen to influencers for food science. Seed oils are not “toxic” like you say. In fact, if you hear someone describing food as “toxic” you can almost guarantee they are a quack.
The only food stuff off the top of my head that’s toxic is pink curing salt :) It’s designed to be used in such small portions that it doesn’t matter, but it’s dangerous enough to keep out of children’s reach.
Calling people names to try and discredit them is not an effective way of communicating why toxic foods seemingly don’t exist or whatever it is you’re trying to say. In this day and age of so much information at our fingertips you have to want to stay ignorant of food toxins. I wish I could say that being that way would only hurt oneself but that mentality allows poor food quality to persist across the industry
If it walks like a duck… You can stay ignorant of food science if you choose but food “toxins” is a term almost exclusively used by quacks and grifters. Listen to people that have been trained, went to school, and have a degree in food/dietary science instead. It’s probably a lot more boring, and doesn’t confirm your biases as much, but has the advantage of being factual and true. You also won’t fall for bullshit and buy into possibly dangerous woo, that can hurt you, to magically “get rid of toxins” too.
This weird food rabbit hole you’ve gone down to convince yourself of “food toxins” is almost assuredly an echo chamber of bullshit. I’m asking you very nicely, with kid gloves on, to actually go out to a library and read a book about actual food science instead of engaging with influencers and social media about it. I think you’ll find out pretty quickly that they’re all full shit and should be ignored.
What’s wrong with seed oil?
Nothing it’s ‘influencers’ and poor outdated studies that stated they were. Rapeseed, sunflower and corn oils are great for heart health.
nothing. many countries’ nutritional guidelines recommend consuming sunflower oil, because it’s high-oleic.
Where I live we use sunflower oil because sunflowers are growing here while, let’s say, olives – don’t. I suppose Italians would use olive oil as a default variant.
Olives aren’t a seed oil though
Yes, that’s my point.
That’s the other thing that is never mentioned in these food debates, people from a place with a given genetics that have adapted to eating specific locally available foods can do poorly eating what is considered healthy elsewhere
And it’s not just genetics that are local. Gut microbes matter a ton for how you digest food, and it’s determined by where you live and what you eat. The immune system matters too, this is why travelers diarrhea is a thing. And that is also diet dependent: one who doesn’t regularly eat seafood will easily catch viral gastrointestinal infections from eating clams for example.
So there is no single global “healthy diet” for everyone, you got to start from what’s available locally and what your people eat, and tweak that as necessary.
AFAIK based on my own myopic experience, they also use seed oils for frying and alike, except from few very specific oil-based sauces and dishes (e.g. cooking garlic).
Then there can easily be some random Italian Chef that will swear seed oil is the devil and it’s turning us gay.
Ignore nutritional “guidelines” - look at the nonsensical food pyramid, which even a diabetes doc from 1930 would call bullshit.
What’s largely important with oils is the Omega 3,9,6 balance.
There are other considerations after that (GLA/ALA), but it’s a good place to start.
My therapist gave me shit once for saying that the pyramid was bullshit.
Were they also a dietician?
That depends on who you ask. Some people say they contain excessive omega-6 acids, linolenic acid, vitamin E, and other stuff that negatively affects insulin absorption and contributes to inflammation in the body.
Others claim they’re a super food, they make fried food good for you, and you shouldn’t use anything else. These people are usually regurgitating dumb/useless things they heard on a trendy cooking channel.
The truth, of course, is likely somewhere in the middle.
I mean omega-3, 6, linolenic acid and vitamin E vary wildly between different seeds’ oils so I’m sure as an informed consumer one can just leave that flame war alone and figure out by themself that the aforementioned criticism is true for sunflower oils for example but rapeseed oil has a fantastic fatty acid composition and is great for cooking while linseed oil is even better but not really suited for cooking and should instead be limited to cold dishes. To blanket “seed oils” as bad for cooking is just braindead.
To my knowledge, it’s specifically sunflower oil that’s really high in Omega 6, which is why you shouldn’t consume it when you have rheumatism.
Do you trust foods invented in living memory?
Many seed oils are toxic to consume. Okay oils being avacado, coconut, and olive. Coconut looks to have many health benefits too
No. Don’t listen to influencers for food science. Seed oils are not “toxic” like you say. In fact, if you hear someone describing food as “toxic” you can almost guarantee they are a quack.
The only food stuff off the top of my head that’s toxic is pink curing salt :) It’s designed to be used in such small portions that it doesn’t matter, but it’s dangerous enough to keep out of children’s reach.
Calling people names to try and discredit them is not an effective way of communicating why toxic foods seemingly don’t exist or whatever it is you’re trying to say. In this day and age of so much information at our fingertips you have to want to stay ignorant of food toxins. I wish I could say that being that way would only hurt oneself but that mentality allows poor food quality to persist across the industry
If it walks like a duck… You can stay ignorant of food science if you choose but food “toxins” is a term almost exclusively used by quacks and grifters. Listen to people that have been trained, went to school, and have a degree in food/dietary science instead. It’s probably a lot more boring, and doesn’t confirm your biases as much, but has the advantage of being factual and true. You also won’t fall for bullshit and buy into possibly dangerous woo, that can hurt you, to magically “get rid of toxins” too.
This weird food rabbit hole you’ve gone down to convince yourself of “food toxins” is almost assuredly an echo chamber of bullshit. I’m asking you very nicely, with kid gloves on, to actually go out to a library and read a book about actual food science instead of engaging with influencers and social media about it. I think you’ll find out pretty quickly that they’re all full shit and should be ignored.
It’s always a trip to hear what they mean by “toxin.”