The conversations are amazing
There’s a bunch of Chinese posts asking if the stuff about school shootings, fires, homelessness are exaggerated propaganda only to be told otherwise. It’s both hilarious and sad.
If banning tik tok ends up galvanizing demand for healthcare reform I’m going to laugh my ass off
Eh, there’s truth and lies on both sides. Coming from someone that lived in china for 4 years and was able to engage with Chinese primary news sources. But basic healthcare in china is faster and cheaper, but then again I went to get a wart removed and they prescribed me acorn paste that accelerated the growth of the wart. So win some lose some.
Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We’ve been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.
It’s honestly very wholesome to see this kind of interaction. On top of cute moments like Chinese users telling the new US users that they are their “spies,” seeing a lot of blatant myth dispelling surrounding the PRC is great to help tear down the Red Scare.
imagine making social media so bad your own citizens actively procure your biggest rival’s networks.
People are people no matter where they live, which also means you can’t trust any government anywhere. Propaganda is powerful.
The idea of a social credit score has always been hilarious to me, like yo bros we have credit scores over here and they legitimately fuck us over since you need good credit to do alot of things like renting a place to live.
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The comparison is wild because financial credit score is much worse. Imagine you are a model citizen but big corp keeps you poor so youre denied basic human needs. On the other hand you are a murderer but as long as you have the moneyz you can do whatever you want.
Of course, social credit score can be misused to push agendas and manipulate the whole popularity if the wrong people implement it. Not trying to defend it in any way, it is a terrible idea. But financial credit score is suppression of the poor by design.
A corporate credit system that is defacto standard, is nothing short of a nightmare and an insult to a nation. Any credit system.
A financial credit system, if controlled by the gov, could be good if done right; if done wrong, … It would be interesting to see how fucked up it would get how quickly. As I don’t know how to do it right, I am opposed. While I recognize the value of risk management that the system would try to be.
Based on my understanding of American credit system, that system is just fucked. It doesn’t make sense. It is not working.
A social credit system is just too vague. Any single score is too vague to express most things but “social credit” what is that? The financial credit score is at least trying to express an idea that we can understand, “how capable am I to pay back loans?”. But what does “social credit” mean? What is “social”? This vagueness makes it extremely potent to punish arbitrarily. Why is the Journalist banned from flying? Bad credit? For what? He paid his taxes late? He lost a law suit for defamations? Trespassing? Harassing a politician? Not sorting the trash correctly? It is practically impossible to prove good social behavior or bad social behavior. Or intentional abuse of the system. A financial credit score could make sense and could be evidenced (the current system is just really bad)
In short, I think the social credit has more dangerous than even the worst financial credit systems. Just think about this, if you can’t take the train to a different Chinese city, Source, then why would a bank trust you with a loan? Why would an employer hire you? Wouldn’t it keep you poor?
Just to be clear, I am speaking hypothetically while referring to real life to highlight my point. I am not saying, china use social credit systems to keep people poor. I am saying, I think social credit systems are far worse because it keeps you poor and so much more while being much more vague.
Also, in ,at least some, countries in Europe there is a credit system for driving, if you speed, you lose/gain points and if you lost all or gained too many, you loose your license. That is an example for a good and clear credit system and even that has some issues. Mainly, if I am driving 6km/h too fast, I might lose a point, and if someone drives 60km/h too fast, they might only lose 8 point. But is 8 times driving 6km/h as bad as 1 time 60km/h? Have fun, fighting over that…
A corporate credit system that is defacto standard, is nothing short of a nightmare and an insult to a nation. Any credit system.
Lol even most western countries have this, it’s called regulation and prosecuting financial corruption.
The US used to do it back in the 1950s too, but now it’s considered authoritarian. Finance-capital just pretty much hand-picks the politicians nowadays, for example, citibank hand-picked Obama’s cabinet.
What are you on about?
You are quoting me talking about the American financial credit score and then you talk about “even most western countries”. Yeah I know. I was talking about one.
Most people on lemmy should be more afraid of a social credit system. Get arrested at food not bombs? That’s a penalty. Get raided at a gay bar? That’s a ding. Protest against deng? Ding. (Couldn’t help myself).
Financial credit score is more of a “we don’t give half a fuck what you do so long as you’re good with money”
Lmao
Kek even
They could, but they dont want to.
The ban discussion originated during the 2020 election when Trump didn’t like the information being spread there as he thought it aligned more with left wing policies. So he wanted it banned. People kept pushing the “it’s bad for kids” bullshit to keep it rolling until it finally went into effect. The Democrats didn’t try to stop it, and the people voted back in the person who wanted it banned. So effectively, they did vote for it in a way.
Trump wanted the ban when he was in office, Biden actually did the ban when he was in office.
Who could I have voted for to keep it from being banned?
Votes:
R- 186 FOR 25 AGAINST
D- 174 FOR 33 AGAINST
A veto is over road by 2/3 vote in Congress… Meaning NO president could have vetod it. So yes I place it on the person who started the process and all of those who voted for it in the house/ Senate.
Clearly meaning that Biden did not “do the ban” But don’t let facts get in the way of a good story
Don’t change the subject, since the ban discussion originated in 2020 who could I have voted for to stop it from happening?
Everyone on my ballot, both republican and democrat all support the ban
Change the subject? You just said Biden could have vetod it and I gave you the facts that he could not have done shit about it. What mental gymnastics is that shit. Also congress who made it impossible to override is voted in every 2 years. So being that there have been 2 votes for Congress since 2020 that you ask of, you could have voted to replace the entire house twice since then.
you could have voted to replace the entire house twice since then.
Replace with who? Everyone on my ballot was for the ban
(edit: also I never said Biden could have vetoed it, I just said that he did the ban, because he signed it and has been publicly in favor of it)
Everyone on your ballot was for the ban and they were people trying to represent you. Either that means you have an opinion differing from the majority of the population in your area, or the people in your area need to find new candidates. I know in my area I am vastly different than what the majority wants. Shit, every person at my work wanted the ban. Coworker was yelling about how much he hates anyone against Trump and that he’s glad they are banning Tik Tok. He listens to far right propaganda on the radio daily that’s anti trans, anti immigrants, and I hear them claiming that all of the positions he is filling are their by merit, and that none of the positions Democrats fill are their by merit, just sponsorship. It’s a broken 2 party system. (Yes, The broken part was redundant)
That’s how democracy works though, either you agree with the majority, tolerate the majority opinion, or you have to work to change the majority opinion, or leave.
I think what many of us are overlooking is that the representatives on average are almost 60, over 60 in the Senate. 60 years olds in average don’t care what 20 year olds want, they think they know what’s best for the 20 year olds future, applying information that may have been valid 30 years ago. Their kids are older than 20, and they already disagree with their opinions.
We need to get the average Congress member age down to 40, senators 45 and force all members older than 65 to retire and take on advisory roles only. A 65 year old does not remember working paycheck to paycheck and what the struggles of everyday Americans are. They only care about how to grow their investments. If their car breaks down, they have enough money to get another, rent a car until its fixed, or simply schedule rides without fear of true disaster. The percentage of Americans that if their car breaks down will lose their jobs, apartments, not be able to afford food, and become homeless which is becoming illegal as well is increasing day after day.
The majority of Americans can not simply take a bus to work, nor walk there. A new car is outrageously out of reach for many people, and used car prices aren’t cheap either.
I wanted to join a rugby team to get more exercise and get in better shape. The sole reason I decided not to was because if I get injured, say break an arm… I would lose my job. And that’s before I say I couldn’t afford the medical bills to go to the doctor anyways.
A 60+ year old Congress member will just call the youth overweight and lazy… but shit. At 35 I know ive worked harder than many I know, but the risk aversion I take to avoid ruin is real. There is no community pool around here, I could never afford one of my own. No sidewalks, and there will be ice everywhere for another month or so… so I’m not going to try bike riding and go over ice on 2 wheels. I should be trying to find more hiking trails… that’s about all I might be able to find that is risk adverse exercise around here.
I get what you mean about the candidates for Congress, it seems they aren’t any great ones. We need to figure out a way to change that.
It’s really weird to act like Biden didn’t want the ban and was some hapless third party to all this when before they even had the vote he was saying he’d sign it.
Bills don’t get an automatic veto override if enough people vote yes, and an override doesn’t make him sign it. He signed it because he wanted to, and in doing so he put the Democrat brand on it. He could have made them hold another vote to actually override his veto and make it clear that he didn’t want this, he could have spoken out against it in any way before the bill was passed and on his desk, but he didn’t, and now that it’s wildly unpopular for some reason the entire DNC is just:
When did I say Biden didn’t want the ban? I said the Democrats wanted it too and showed they voted for it? Do you only absorb information you want to absorb?
Congratulations, you fell for their 2 party stick
No. So many goods cannot be produced by children, it is inefficient.
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wow the level of cope in this thread (thankfully not that many tho) arguing over stats - which are probably made up anyway.
some people can’t handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs
yep most genuinely don’t care, people just hate to be a part of something lol
some people can’t handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs
Yes exactly. There are lots of internet weirdos trying to spread culture war nonsense, but if you actually go outside every once in a while, you realize that most people just aren’t like that. I work in a restaurant that has a lot of ukrainian and russian visitors (migrants). At one point, a large group of russians came in for a birthday party, and they asked the owner to put on a playlist of russian music. Like, really cheesy russian pop. After some time, a girl from a smaller table of ukrainians calls me over and complains about the music. I relay it to the owner, and he asks them what they would rather listen to instead. They tell him, and he adds their songs on the queue. The rest of the evening was spent playing and dancing to russian and ukrainian and armenian songs (the owner is armenian, and there were some armenian guests too) and the atmosphere was just generally very chill. Not a single fuck was given about politics that evening.
Now if we could just get rid of all those power-hungry dicks who keep poisoning the human spirit, let it be with Capitalism, Maoism, Neoliberalism and whatnot…
Thing is, the concern about RedNote is completely valid. Even if you strip away any overarching US propaganda or whatever, we know that the CCP does really, really shitty things as well and take heavy, manipulative influence (yes yes, the US and its defacto Feudal Lords owning Meta etc. do so too).
I’m just angry people won’t take their time to look into this whole topic and go with more propaganda-resistant, federated alternatives. Not perfect, but better than a centralized service that can be influenced by either China or the US. Or Russia… or literally anyone. So that we can, in the end, just dance to some nice human music.
As a civ player, I know a cultural victory when I see one.
My people are now
listening to your pop music and wear your blue jeanseating your noodles and use your social media apps.
She can get it.
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