HOW do you guys tip in the US? Do you go by food total or bill total? I know it’s frowned upon in other countries, I’m not here to question or debate that.
No matter how you split it, pre or post tax, the “gratuity” is much higher than it should be! The 18%is higher even than what actual 20% should be!
Pretax should be $14.26, tax included (ripoff) should be $15.44. So why is the “20%” up to $18.25?! That’s a 25.5% tip.
For me, I tip “15%” but round numbers. The bill is $72, so I take 10% (7.20 but round up to 8 then add 4) which ends up $12.
If they were exceptional, I just go off 20% which is $16 by my method, and round the total to the nearest dollar… but even that isn’t their pretend 18%!! And technically my method is over 20% after rounding up. They’re all just taking advantage of niceness and guilt for patrons having to tip everyone.
Edit: I fucked up being hung up on numbers, not realizing to the left was the explanation. 😅 OK, so just: how do y’all tip?
Suggested gratuity is calculated after taxes and before discounts.
If you add back in the comped appetizer, the math maths. Not saying I agree with the practice, but it’s not fraud. They’re suggesting you tip based off what you received not what you’re paying per se.
I agree with calculating tips before discounts, but calculating tips after taxes is bull. I’m not tipping the government.
Tipping culture is the reason I just avoid restaurants.
Fix your industry.
That’s the right answer.
It seems weird in this context, but the normal case is if you’re paying with a gift card. If I had a $110 dinner and had a $100 gift card that was subtracted off the total, the expected tip would be off the $110, not just the $10 paid out of pocket.
Calculating gratutiy before discounts and taxes is the cultural norm.
Round the subtotal. Divide by 10. Multiply by 2. Smile, say thank you, and get on with it.
I don’t.
Tipping is bullshit and employers need to pay their employees. Literally based in slavery.
Furthermore, taxes should be included on the fucking price tag.
that qr code isn’t properly censored. qrs have redundancy and you need at most like 60% visible for most of them. pulled the number aut of my ass but it’s definitely a thing.
The centre is like the only part of the code you don’t actually need lol. It’s a vestigial part
I never use percentage based tips, costs for everything are so inflated. I just pick a dollar amount out of my ass that I feel matches my service experience that also agrees with my wallet (when I’m flush I’ll tip more). It’s all a scam and I hate to participate but I feel bad for low paid workers.
WTF? I was taught tipping was calculated before tax. This is just giving even more money out on top of the ridiculous 18% minimum suggested amount.
Right! They don’t make the tax, the gov does, so that’s nothing to do with service, but of course they’re going to guilt people into giving more.
I only tip when I’m at a sit down restaurant. And I tip the same, 15 unless they were expectional.
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Tip? Laughs in European
When I was a kid it was 10%. 15% was a really good tip.
Then it was 15% standard. Then 20% standard. Then it started being 20% of the taxed total (~22% really).
Now I commonly see 20% of taxed as the minimum and 25% of taxed as the suggested.
I strongly prefer self service restaurants. I’m not interested in being served.
I strongly prefer self service restaurants. I’m not interested in being served.
Meanwhile I have been asked to tip (with 15/20/25% buttons) on a burger king self order terminal in Germany lol
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I still do 15%, not including taxes or fees. I thought my bf was being extremely generous doing 20%.
That tipping should be on the before tax total has long been standard practice. If that practice is breaking down it’s because people are ignorant and POS systems are manipulative.
I would always tip on the total before any discount. If given a freebie, like say the bartender gave me a free drink, I tip as if the freebie were on the bill.
Nothing at all. Not in our culture. Our waiters make a decent living, I suppose.
20% of the bill (before tax).
In some states the tax may even be 10%, in these states it can be easy to calculate the tip by simply doubling the tax amount.
And then if I’m leaving a cash tip, I may round that resulting number up, so if it happens to be something like say 59.46, just make it $60.
wow. suggested tip in the US syart with 18%. i could NOT afford to eat out in the us
You think we can?
You could, you would just have to tolerate the side-eyeing. 🤷♂️
Well, tolerate the side eye and be willing to screw over someone trying to pay their bills. Whether tipping should be the standard practice (it shouldn’t) is a separate issue. The general expected practice is that you will tip, and tips are effectively a server’s whole wage. It’s not an easy or pleasant job. Going to a sit down restaurant with the intention not to tip, to make someone work for you basically for free, just makes you an asshole. Until we get rid of tipped minimum wage.
They don’t work for me, they work for the restaurant owner who is offloading their salary onto me under guise of a “tip”. Fucking leeches feeding off our working class and you act like we’re the problem for questioning this predatory system.
I never said don’t question it, I said it shouldn’t be that way! But it is that way right now, and we are responsible for how our actions affect others, even in an unfair system.
I agree with everything you’re saying, but you going to the restaurant and not tipping hurts the server, not the owner. They spend time and effort for basically nothing in return, and even if you disagree with the system in place you are still using it to get cheaper food (because resteraunt costs are subsidized by tips to staff) at the expense of someone who in most cases can’t afford it.
It you want to hurt the owner in the short term, don’t go.
Eventually of course this means less serving jobs, again hurting the server.
So the best option is getting rid of tipped minimum wage. Easier said than done, but it’s the only real way to fix this.
This comment is 100% correct and anyone voting it down should seriously try to reframe their thinking.
You don’t have to like the situation, I don’t like the situation… but if you don’t tip at least 15% you are underpaying a server and meaningfully impacting their life.
Servers should be paid more by their actual employers and it’s ethically wrong that establishments are allowed to underpay their employees just so they can offload that cost to the customer and deceptively list a lower price on their menu. That said, this is the current situation in the US, that cost is offloaded, effectively making restaurant customers the primary source of income for restaurant servers. They are effectively your employees now, so please, don’t underpay your employees.
Morally you need to tip because of an immoral system. Capitalism at its finest.
We’re all trying to pay bills, and I also work in the service industry. Such is life, I’m not gonna be a baby/asshole and demand someone to pay extra (because they’re not underpaying or stealing, gratuity is basically charity and you’re meant to be competent at your job regardless) because of the inequalities of my fucked up so-called society. If you get uppity because someone doesn’t want to waste even more money on a night out just for free, sure, but I don’t think this very emotional take is valid, and it’s acceptable only in the US.
And, btw, the only intention anyone has by going to a restaurant is eating in exchange for money, the prices are there and I pay the price. Anything else (from complimenting you on your nice shoes to paying your medical bills because you’re very nice) cannot be reasonably expected.
I had to do a double take because I thought you got charged $14 for fucking water.
I’m sure it was served in a really sexy glass.
So, the reason the math is off, is because they calculated the percentages before discounts.
See that free appetizer on there? It was part of your total when they did the math. Which seems less shady when you remember the tip goes to your server, who did the same amount of work, no matter how much of a discount you received.
OK that makes a bit more sense. How did I miss that on the left of the suggested amounts? 😅
This assumes the restaurant let’s servers keep their tips.
You be surprised how many restaurants fuck over servers and take their tips.
I work in the industry. It definitely might happen in places but no it doesn’t.
You wouldn’t keep your servers and bartenders they genuinely wouldn’t make enough to work there or even the gas to get to work.
You’d essentially blacklist yourself. Once other restaurants find out they’ll pilfer your people and many owners go to other restaurants with the thought in the back of their head of pilfering workers. It’s not the intent but all it takes is “hey how do you enjoy it here? I own ____ come check it out sometime we’d love to have someone like you” happens all the time.
Your biggest risk is that it’s also illegal as fuck and very very easy to prove.
Majority of places do not fuck with server’s tips.
Source?
I am sure it happens but it is illegal for restaurant owners or managers to take even a portion of servers’ tips.
I probably would be. But I don’t understand the reasoning behind “There’s a slight chance that someone might steal this money, so I probably shouldn’t even try to give it to them.”
Should we stop paying out pensions because retirees are often targeted by phone scammers?
