• mycodesucks@lemmy.world
    7·
    4 hours ago

    If existence is infinite there is no difference whatsoever between heaven and hell. The idea of “happiness forever” is a 4 year old child’s conception of something desirable, and shows absolutely no awareness of what it means to exist.

    And before someone starts in with the “You’ll be altered so that heaven will be perfect forever”, you’ve destroyed any meaning of it - if you’re going to be made to enjoy it, you could just as easily be made to enjoy hell. The whole concept is stupid.

    Heaven is the desperate hope of the tired who don’t need eternal bliss - they need a break and a chance to actually live.

    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 hours ago

      You just lack imagination.

      Heaven is two goth girlfriends who alternate between loving you and ignoring you. Occasionally they step on you.

      Won’t find that in any philosophy book because philosophers are prudes.

    • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
      3·
      3 hours ago

      People just don’t understand heaven. It’s not infinite time, it’s eternity - without time

      The way I see it, heaven would be a nice home, a place of reunions and rest. But what is the point of being unchanging?

      Also, what does it mean to bask in God’s light? How can that equally happen in a place outside of time, but also is possible on Earth?

      I think the whole concept has been completely warped from what Jesus actually said

      Christianity went to some weird places when Constantine merged it with the Roman religion. The common interpretation makes no sense

      • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        13 minutes ago

        I think the whole concept has been completely warped from what Jesus actually said

        Jesus made it sound like a pleasant vacation, a banquet, a feast.

        The problem is that heaven collapses under the weight of eternity if you think about it (as you are doing). I don’t think it’s some kind of corruption or “going to a weird place” to reconcile the idea of an placid idyll with eternity; it’s just a place things naturally go when you consider the implications.

  • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
    30·
    10 hours ago

    Yup. So you think God and Heaven are naturally quite important so you go to school to specialize in Bible study, and there you learn the Bible is crazy contradictory patchwork written by men serving the needs of their society at the time and that’s all religion ever is, so then you start thinking about how you’re going to make a living and you might decide to leave the church, or you may decide you like the cushy life and don´t mind lying to people every Sunday who are asking you to lie to them, who are paying you to lie to them.

  • SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today
    11·
    8 hours ago

    And if heaven is not real, we should focus on the lives we are living.

    Any religion that claims a happy afterlife exists is a death cult. “Your baby is in heaven now! Why aren’t you happy?”

  • bryndos@fedia.io
    91·
    9 hours ago

    The sun is important, but I’m not sure how much we need to understand it. You do need to eat the food that it ultimately provides though. Understanding the food chain is useful but plenty of humans can persist and breed successfully - at least in the short term - with little more than a rudimentary understanding of a very small part of it.

  • [object Object]@lemmy.ca
    6·
    9 hours ago

    God created the integers, everything else is the work of man*

    *Except infinity, which Good invented to punish those who don’t understand math, and reward those who do

    • Strider@lemmy.world
      2·
      4 hours ago

      The funny thing is, as an atheist trying to live a reasonable life I see far less issues for me than a lot of so called religious people.