Not necessarily a neuralink specifically, just any genre or type of cybernetic implants, if they were or will become available. I’m super hesitant on anything interfacing with my brain so I’d probably stay organic, except like if I lost my eyesight or hearing.
Yes. I’m chronically ill with a lot of issues. I’d go down to Maelstrom’s territory at night alone and wiggle seductively. “Oh no, please don’t force chrome on me Mr. Maelstrom guy.”
Realistically, I have ADHD so having a neural interface to make sure I didn’t forget shit would be so helpful. I wouldn’t trust most devices though. It’d have to be free of the possibility of being enshittified, so I’d only be comfortable with it if I controlled the software.
I get a kind of chafe, like that of clothes that don’t fit, for the normal function of my own body. Like some other arm I’ve never used is tied behind my back. So yes, but the cost matters more.
If I die younger for it, not worth it. If I give up my sovereignty to an amoral entity for it, not worth it.
So no hack jobs and no corporate bs, but non-invasive opensource projects like openbci and openmuscle? Awesome!
For it to be more mainstream I’d really support a well ran cooperative that supports these opensource projects and customers that have them.
Only if they’re open source, and even then its a big if.
It would need to have a firewall, only allowing outgoing requests
Absolutely not
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60416058
These people permanently changed their bodies in ways that will have lifelong impacts (as one example they can never have an MRI) just to be abandoned.
My brain immediately went to cybernetic titties and I got lost thinking about what they might do.
Have you seen the people that use high powered LEDs on silicon implant to turn them into a light show?
I have not… So… Disco-titties?
Only if the software stack was GPLv3 licensed (or whichever was the most aggressive version of the license) and the computational hardware was reasonably open as well, preferably completely open like RISC and maybe a fully open UEFI.
I need to trust anything that is going to become part of me.
I refer to my CGM as “my cybernetic implant”, so I guess I already have one?
No way. If RoboCop or Cyberpunk is anything to go off of, trusting a company to supply parts for your own body is not a good idea.
Besides, I’ve always liked my equipment in stock form, to really appreciate it for what it is at its core.
Any mechanical only part without software. Nothing from head or spine.
Tail.
I remember a thought from CGP Grey that went along the lines of…
At some point cybernetics will be like smart phones; people look at you weird if you don’t have one.
He also said self driving cars where “here” in 2014. Not sure he’s that prophetic.
I’d need to completely own it. I don’t want my extended memory storage to now also include product placement in my childhood memories or the cops can make my bionic legs stop working or whatever.
However, in the hypothetical situation where I completely own my augmentations, 100% I’m getting enhancements. In fact I would question the efficiency of giving me implants, it might just be easier to copy my brain into a completely robotic body.
The downside of copying your brain is that it’s a copy, you’ll have your original meat body and a separate mechanical body which minds which immediately start to diverge. They’re both still you, but meatman gets no upgrades. You could destroy your meat body as part of the transfer but then it’s reasonable to say you’re dead with a robot that thinks it’s you.
The closest you can get to a proper transfer would need an implant which works similar to how your body naturally replaces cells, the implant would gradually take over neurons until you have a fully mech brain which can be transplanted to a new body. You could argue that’s still just a destructive copy but I think it’s within most people’s tolerance.
meatman gets no upgrades
Frylock: Low voice c’mon, he heard you, Shake.
louder Be-because Meatwad is already top of the line! He needs no upgrades!
Meatwad: Yea! Meatwad’s number one!
Shake: Oh-hoh, it’s not like he doesn’t know he’s awful.
Meatwad: I do? I’m not–
Shake: You’re not stupid, are you? I mean, we all know Meatwad is pretty dumb but you’re not so dumb that you don’t even realize that you were fished out of the bottom of the bargain bin.
Frylock: Shake–
Meatwad: I’m not stupid!
Shake: So you know, then.
Meatwad: Yeah! Wait…
Shake: I knew it! Meatwad is the worst.
Frylock: Shake, enough! You’re going to make him cry!
Meatwad: sniffs
Shake: Oooh, fine, ya crybaby. Frylock has your upgrades that will make you almost as good as normal–
Frylock: Shake!
Meatwad: I’m getting upgraded?
Shake: --but he refuses to even admit he has it because he’s jealous! Of how great you’ll be!
Meatwad: Frylock…
Shake: The ultimate betrayal! He can’t handle being #3 so he’s keeping you down!
Frylock: Meatwad, you don’t believe I’d do that to you–
Meatwad: I thought we were friends.
Shake: Always competing for that #2 spot, it’s despicable!
Meatwad: Frylock!
Frylock: There IS NO UPGRADE. How do you upgrade a wad of meat anyways? Shake is just–
Shake: SEE!? Even Frylock agrees you can’t get better and that you’re the worst.
Frylock: eyes glowing Ok fine. Meatwad, how would you like an upgrade? I’ll give you a straw, how does that sound?
Shake: glowing, rising into the air Woah, wait! No, no, I was just kidding! Meatwad, you don’t want a straw, do you?
Meatwad: You know, a straw would be pretty cool.
Shake: Nononono, don’t–just think about how dumb you’d look with a straw just sticking out! Maybe you’d prefer a fry!? glowing intensifies AH!
Meatwad: Yeah, you’re right, that would look pretty dumb.
Shake: relaxes Oh thank you, Meatwad, you’re a good buddy.
Meatwad: Frylock, could I have a lid, too, maybe? Then my straw won’t look so dumb?
Crack my skull and spine open, pull out my brain and nervous system and put it in the robot.
Yeah but speaking as meatman I’m okay with meatman dying. Robot me will be the real me, meat me is ephemeral.
I don’t believe in souls. I view my existence as like a wave, I am briefly in this cohesive form and will inevitably break upon the shore and both cease to be a wave yet forever be the ocean. Continuously moved and reshaped and never the same wave I was.
A body that allows my perception of existence to continue would prevent that, I would be able to continue to “exist” as I perceive it for much longer.
So yeah for me at least you can skip the gradual stuff. Just ctrl + c, ctrl + v and recycle the original.
How would you feel about your continuity if more than one robot copy/replacement is made? (at the same time all based on the meat version I mean, not as future replacement/upgrade bodies)
I’d be cool with it as long as they’re all autonomous. From my sense of continuity I continue to exist and there are other copies who share my experiences as meatman up to the point in time where we received our respective robot bodies. It’d be like gaining siblings. From their point of view they continue to exist and there are other copies like myself out there as well.
I’m also okay if I woke up in my robot body and found out I’m not the first copy. Knowing myself it would be more of a “fun fact” that someone is the original rather than something that carries any sort of weight.
Which robot would be you and which would be “the other copies”? I would imagine that from the descendants’ pov they’re all “you”, but I wonder if you would identify yourself with one over the rest 🤔
If the descendants continue to collaborate in perpetuity, maybe “you” is the swarm.
I think we’d just view it as a matter of perspective. To me, I’m me and they’re them. To them, they’re me and I’m them. We’d each identify ourselves as me.
But we would probably also enjoy being considered a swarm, I know I would.
Imagine experiencing a scism with yourself 😅
most people’s tolerance.
Most people do not have an existential crisis over whether a teleporter is teleporting them or killing and remaking them. It’s mostly a small subset of people who have that worry.
I’d be like Mr. T in space. You’d never get me onto one of those transporters unless I was dragged there while unconscious.
I’ve been fixing machines long enough to know I don’t want to. Flesh is weak, but flesh adapts. It also doesn’t get an internet connection, which means I get to sleep at night.
Edit: Thought about this a little more. I think a better frame for this question is whether or not you’re comfortable accepting the flaws and limitations inherent in our bodies as they are. Obviously I, as an able-bodied person, am more comfortable accepting that my body isn’t perfect. Someone with significant disabilities wouldn’t hesitate to fix what causes them pain, discomfort, or applies cruel limits to the life they want to live.
I can accept that other people would choose to change, and their reasons are their own. I have no right to force them to accept a body that they hate, for the same reason no one should force me to accept a body that I hate. The Deaf community has had years and years to debate the ethics of cochlear implants, and their impact on their community’s cultural values. I’m not Deaf, just a little HoH, but I try to pay attention to what they’re talking about for reasons like this.
But as a trans person, I can accept that my body isn’t ideal. There are things I would happily change, for the sake of personal comfort. But having put a great deal of thought into it, I would be much happier to live in a society that understood and respected how I perceive myself, and how I want to be perceived. It would render the desire for those aesthetic changes a point of preference, rather than emotional necessity. An accepting culture has been better for my dysphoria than an acceptable body.
It is a complicated philosophical question. I think the right answer is that people should have the freedom to make that choice, and it shouldn’t be mandatory, dangerous, or open a path to exploitation.
No, because then it’d be like in the Genetic Opera where we don’t own the parts we need to keep us alive. We’d have to pay those too, in absurd amounts. And if we don’t, we’ll just die. It’s already looking like that anyways with the “Pay or Die” system we have in healthcare.
Lotsa old people get hip replacements.
Stick to mechanical stuff that cant become enshittified later.
RIP if you need a pacemaker
Hip replacements with a step counter coming soon
