Hello again Lemmy! I have another question.
Context: I took a motorcycle safety class, was nervous but enjoyed it, researched motorcycles, found a few I liked, talked to a dealer about them but ultimately, I couldn’t finalize a deal, talked myself out of it basically
I was curious how others might justify a purchase that has no purpose other than wanting something.
For clarity, I don’t need anyone to justify me buying a motorcycle. I want to read about your thought processes for buying something you want 🙂
As always thanks for replying and have an awesome day/night!!
I put most of those types of “wants” on a timer. As in I put the link on a wishlist. If a week or two later I still actively want it and think about it and it’s within my fun money budget then I get it. More often than not I have the impulse just in the moment and forget about it again 1-2 days later.
Great approach, others have mentioned this as well. Impulse buys can be a slippery slope for sure!!
Thank you!
I have high hopes the boardgames I’ve been buying lately will see the light of a game table at least once
If you create a rule that doesn’t require actually playing the games you could just put them on a table… 😁
Always have an internal dialogue argument with myself.
Do I have the money ?
yes
Do I need to pay for something else with that money ?
no
Will I enjoy that new thing ?
yes
Let’s buy it
I appreciate the simplicity in this. I genuinely wish I could think like that… and not just for buying things.
Appreciate your perspective!!
I give myself some amount per month to spend no questions asked, so I don’t have to feel guilty about it. If it’s more than what I give myself in a month then I either save for a while or if I have the money upfront and it needs to be bought now I diminish the amount I give myself for the next X months to compensate.
I was thinking about this as well. For this item I can buy it outright. Then I start thinking about what is the impact in the coming months.
Do I save more to recoup faster… do I not care, haha.
Thank you for responding!!
As long as my bills are paid and I have a steady income, if I want something, I’ll usually buy it. If its something more frivolous or expensive, like the e-scooter I bought myself last year, I’ll just wait for a good sale/deal. But if its something relatively cheap (like under $100), I usually just get it.
I don’t want kids and I have no hope to ever owning a home where I live. Probably unlikely to retire unless I keep pushing at this job I have and hate but has a great pension. Might as well use my money while I can.
I have been trying to tighten up my finances though since, y’know, everything. But it’s tough when I’ve become accustomed to spoiling myself.
I’m in a similar situation, meaning, it’s just me. I have no one to answer to or take care of. If I want to do frivolous stuff I am free to do it.
Understood about both the job and finances. I would agree that the current state of things makes both a necessary evil to an extent.
You work your whole life to be able to afford a little frivolity. If you’re just going to stand in your own way to deny yourself all but the essentials, that’s no way to live.
We just met on the internet… how do you know so much about me already?? 🤨🤣
I do understand where you’re coming from. The is probably the right answer.
Thank you so much!!
I make a wishlist. In Excel. With a due date. For small things, six weeks wait.
For something like a motorcycle, six months wait.
Then if I still want it when that day comes I buy it
I’ve been doing this with a guitar I want. Gotta put 100 hours in on my current guitar to earn it! Got a nice little progress bar to help gamify it lol.
This is a really great approach! I’m a little stuck since I don’t already have one to ride.
Thanks for this! Something to keep in mind for the future!!
This is solid advice! The discipline or cooling off period is definitely a good strategy.
Appreciate your response!!
Budgets (formal or informal)!
- Have I covered all of my expenses? Yes.
- Have I properly funded my savings (retirement, emergency fund, other savings goals)? Yes.
- Do I have money left over? Yes!
Permission to spend granted!
Further before I buy something I’ll write it down on a list and essentially not buy it for a period of time (7 days? 30 days, a year?). I’ll come back to that list and gauge my interest again. Many, MANY times (most?) I don’t care about the thing anymore so I don’t spend the money.
Then I’ll usually try to get the cheaper version (possibly used) of the thing first to make sure it still holds my interest in using it before I would justify buying the more expensive one. So many times the cheaper version does everything I need and I never need to buy the expensive version. When I do exceed the capabilities of the cheap version, and it is still holding my interest, I can then justify spending on the expensive (new?) version. Example: I wanted a bicycle to ride around the neighborhood for fitness and enjoyment. I looked at higher end brands and models, but first I bought a $200 Big Box Store Schwinn. I’m still using that same bicycle 6 years later with no need to replace it. One note, about two years into ownership I took it to an actual bicycle store for a tune up. The cost was about $80, I think. I wish I had done that on day 1! The bike’s brakes worked much better and the gear shifting were MUCH improved! Prior to the service, I would regularly have the chain come off from bad shifts. The last time that happened was 3 years ago prior to the service.
I agree with te cooling off period. Although I might argue the length of time. If I wait a year to decide on something, I know it won’t have as much interest as it did before.
I think, personally, there’s a period of do it now or just don’t bother. For motorcycles I’d be hesitant to wait a year and then buy one, and try to learn. The lessons from the training are still fresh.
Thank you for the bike story. I’m glad you’re still enjoying the bike and getting use out of it!!
I agree with te cooling off period. Although I might argue the length of time. If I wait a year to decide on something, I know it won’t have as much interest as it did before.
Obviously I’m not talking about everything having a 1 year waiting period, such as a $10 video game from Steam, but I waited close to 3 years before I spent well over $50,000 on solar panels for the house. Some large things just need time to work the numbers or gauge the value.
Ok, fair enough. Yeah 50k on panels would definitely need more time for budgeting and planning.
Thanks for the qualifier!!
Well, I understand the struggle. I’ll look at that shiny new thing (let’s say a video card for instance) and I’ll think “well, the old works well enough, and I’ll just be throwing the old one out, or it will sit in my drawer for a decade and then I’ll throw it out”.
Or, when something breaks, I’ll think, well I could replace it, but I can probably just fix it. Surely it’s not a waste of time to spend 5 hours and $30 at the hardware store to fix a 20 year old toaster. Surely.
And I’m really quite good at fixing stuff, so the temptation is always there. And part of it is the environmental side, it just feels wrong to throw something that mostly works into a landfill. Like if that toaster won’t turn on at all, it’s probably just the power button that broke, or a thermal fuse that blew. In those cases, that’s a device that is 99% fine and the fix isn’t all that hard. I can’t bring myself to just buy a new one and unnecessarily add to my carbon footprint.
On the other hand, sometimes you just need to eat your pride. For instance, we ended up with some very difficult kids, so life has gotten challenging. And given the everyday challenges, sometimes I just need an immediate solution for things. Sure, I could fix this, sure I could probably get this media server working, sure we’re perfectly capable of cleaning up after ourselves… But right now that feels too hard so screw it, let’s just buy a new one, and to hell with the media server, we’ll just pay for Netflix and Disney+, and you know what, let’s get someone to help clean our house once a month. Sometimes it’s just about doing the things that you need to do to take care of yourself.
And yes, I needed that video card for my personal sanity.
5 hours and 30$ on a toaster… surely indeed!! 🙂
Appreciate the humor and the point you are making. Sometimes it’s easier to spend on a want than not spend.
I 100% agree on the video card!! I hope you enjoy it immensely!!
I want it and I have money for it. That’s all the justification I need.
🙂 right to point! I like it!! Thanks!!
All the other details are ultimately just calculating how much you want it and how much you can afford it.
How much want is a good comment / thought. I wish I could quantify want, in the context of a purchase.
Although that would probably just make it worse 🙂
I have a fun budget. A % of my monthly surplus goes I to it, and everything (excluding food) that I want rather than need come out of that pot.
I then have no guilt over spending my fun money, unless I think I could have more fun using it for something else.
This makes sense for sure. It’s always easier to spend when there are no other pressing issues or needs.
Absolutely no guilt if that’s what you intended the money for. Great way to look at it!!
Appreciate this!!
At one point I had a change jar. At the end of my day all my pocket change went in the jar and I forgot about it. This had multiple benefits: any purchase I made during the day took at least five bucks out of my pocket (no $1 or $2 notes in my country), so I had to think about it carefully. I always had money in the house, but in a form that made it inconvenient to spend. And after a couple years of ignoring the jar, I had about $200 that was outside my normal budget. I could spend it how I wanted! If I felt like buying a couple hundred bucks worth of jellybeans, I could do it without guilt.
Now I’m no longer single. My wife steals my change to buy leftover fabric swatches at car boot sales. That makes it harder but man, I deserve a Lego pirate ship.
Aww man, I think you deserve a Lego pirate ship too!! Maybe you need to have a hidden change jar!!
I don’t. I get things I want if they will not jepordize things I need. So there needs to be excess slack in the budget.
For you, is it specifically just financial aspects? I often look at the graveyard of hobbies and say… I just can’t do it again 🙂
I enjoy food and shelter and environmental temperature controls than pretty much anything else. My first level and most common splurge is a hot bath. I want to have these things till I die. That is the foremost priority. Many splurges I have, many folk would consider not to be wants.
Got it, thank you for the follow up!! This makes sense!!
I’m a nut for buying crappy, used guns. All I see is an opportunity to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. I’m like that with many used goods. “What can I do with this thing?!”
Dialed it in a bit. Now I stop and think total cost of ownership. And that can be applied to many purchases. I’ll talk guns, but keep other sorts of items in mind.
How much will the initial spend really cost? Taxes, fees, shipping, etc.? Was looking at a $105 shotgun just now. Total delivered cost? $150 or so. Yeah, not such a deal with that in mind.
What do I need to go with it? Ammo I don’t have? Scope/sights? Sandpaper and stain? Sling? Butt stock pad? What will I spend to get this gun where I want it?
Bought a new, single-shot, 12-gauge Hatfield shotgun off guns.com. $129.99! I can do that! Taxes and shipping, another $20. FFL fee, another $20. Red dot sight with mount, another $130 (stupid cheap, but believe it or not, it’s quality). Strap and shotshell holder I made from spare parts I already had, still, another $25 bought new. American flag patch nailed upside down? $2. None of this includes cleaning and oiling supplies. A $130 shotgun cost me $327. Not adding anything for stain and sandpaper and such. Also, added a butt pad I already owned. Call it $350 and several nights of work. TCO was 2.7x the initial price.
So that’s my thoughts. Total Cost of Ownership. Keep it in mind.
I like the TCO angle. I did some of that when thinking about a motorcycle. It’s not just the motorcycle itself. It’s not even just the taxes, tags, etc.
It’s locks, covers, spare parts, trailer (if it breaks down), crash guards, other riding gear, etc.
While it’s not fundamentally bad, a lot of folks may not consider the “all in” price.
Great point and thanks for the response!!