Veganism.
Their entire basis of preaching guilt over the consiousness angle was egotistic, overzealous and unproven.(either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not. Therefore everyone, no matter what matter they consume to survive, remains guilty of ending a consiousness or not and therefore neither diet maintains the higher ethical ground to guilt from. I will not be convinced otherwise. And especially not while every white paper starts with defining consiousness is always in their own pure hubris)
It was not until it was called ‘Plant based’ that i got on board as that research is proven. yes: it is healthier, yes: less emmissions. yes: uses less matter to consume. yes: more sustainable. (Although not sustainable for those who remain unable to digest beans as a form of protien. but that is another story)
Ethical? in the form of ‘less matter’ one might try to argue but i would not use any guilt angle on ethical stance so long as any matter that may be argued to contain consiousness is consumed. No ethical stance starts with measuring anything in value as ‘less than’ another so long as it is used just to justify to find their own comfort to judge others from.
either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not.
Plants do not have brains or nervous systems, they are not conscious.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8052213/
I am aiming for a vegan lifestyle, but it is difficult to escape hidden milk and eggs in unexpected places. I hope everyone can agree that factory farming is needlessly cruel and should not be supported. I am happy with any steps taken to reduce suffering in the world. I think too many people view it as all-or-nothing, and they can’t do all so they do nothing. But every choice we make affects the world we share; any individual can make a difference, even a small one, and they add up.
they are not conscious.
you can’t prove such a claim
Check the study I linked. It defines consciousness and explains their experiments in detail. Get more specific if you can refute those findings.
Again: plants don’t have brains.
Maybe you are also a plant?
read that study. it does not prove plants aren’t conscious. it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.
in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.
it does not prove plants aren’t conscious
Because a negative can’t be proven.
it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.
Because evidence does not support those claims.
Theists use this same fallacious logic to pretend it’s acceptable to worship bronze age death gods.
Let’s all use our brains, please.
in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.
Do they? Please provide a quote, I’m not seeing anything like that in the conclusion.
Here’s the other thing: even if you are correct (which is not likely based on evidence), consuming plants instead of meat still reduces suffering. Eating plants directly is more efficient than eating animals that eat plants.
Green beans. My mom always made nasty-ass soggy canned green beans when I was a kid, and so I thought I hated beans for like two decades.
Then one day I decided to try sauteing some with garlic one day as an adult, and oh. My. God. Do I love green beans.
My mom’s canned beans still taste like shit.
I’m a green beans enjoyer too. Snap-frozen green beans have improved in quality quite a bit since I was a kid, but fresh ones in a curry, stew or peanut satay absolutely rock.
Any tips on a good peanut satay recipe?
I think there was a whole thread about people discovering their love for foods that their parents cooked shittily when they were kids. I’ll try to find it.
Guy Fieri.
People make fun of him but he’s just a happy dude who likes food.
Vocaloid. I used to think it was about worship anime-like figures. And the voices in music were just too squeaky for me. But now I realize that the figure worshiping was just practiced by some westerns that I’ve come across, and that it’s actually just a tool to make music vocals. I found out that japanese (and other) individuals make really cool music with it. The squeaky voices just took some time to get used to.
Ritalin.
I’d heard all the stories about zombie kids and such. Then at 30 I was diagnosed with ADHD and it explained so much. My first ritalin was a life changer. Not a zombie - I could focus on what I wanted to, get things started, music stuck in my head gone, so many other things. Not perfect, but so much better.
I’m still pissed that for most of my life since I haven’t been able to have it or anything else to help.
I’m amazed at how many parents, including ones of my generation [millenials], are afraid of ADHD medication. Especially considering the volume of research on ADHD and the effectiveness of stimulants that has come out since the 90’s.
“But it will change little Timmy’s personality.”
Yeah, that’s hyperactivity. Not his personality. People don’t normally act like the Looney Toons Tazmanian Devil on crack.
“But he might become dependent on it.”
And i’m sure people with missing limbs spend a lot of time worrying about becoming dependent on prosthetics. You know what you should really be concerned about him becoming dependent on? Drugs and alcohol. Because self-medicating is real and the statistics are not in Timmy’s favor.
I have a below-knee amputation. I AM dependent on my prosthesis to get around. lol
That’s the thing I especially liked about the ritalin - no waiting days for it to get to a working level, it kicked in, worked, and when it was gone, it was GONE. heh. Which meant I could take it when I wanted to get stuff done, and if I didn’t care about getting stuff done, I could refrain from taking it, and that worked perfectly.
And the zombie thing - I’d almost said - but I realized after my experiences on it… yeah, kid might look like a zombie because instead of being distracted by everything, they’re sitting there concentrating on their work, getting shit done. Not staring-into-space zombie, GETTING-SHIT-DONE-POWERHOUSE lol.
Keeping and maintaining ADHD medication is so freaking difficult these days. It’s exhausting.
My wife has AuDHD - diagnosed with ADHD about the same time I was (age 30 for her, too). She’s still able to take meds, and yeah, it is a damn struggle every single month.
And recently, the hospital system her PCP is in changed the rules so that you have to have therapists re-confirm the diagnosis every three months. She already had to drug-test every three months (ironically to make sure it was detected so they know she’s taking them and not selling them… :eyeroll:)
Ay, I’m so glad you found what works for you! ☺️
lol, sounds like you didn’t catch my last sentence, but no worries, I found it amusing <3
I’m reading correctly you have it now, right? I’m glad you have it now :)
lol, this is completely unimportant
but
No, I had it initially, and then - as I said - I haven’t had it since then, alas.
Ah, okay. I misunderstood what was meant by your first comment
If they’re experience was anything like mine, the first two to three days is the only really effective time. There are other lasting effects, but nothing compared to the first few days. Those days are a tiny glimpse into what life COULD be like with a more neurotypical brain, but we don’t usually get to stay that way.
I was able to have it for around a year, give or take, but they kept trying to send me to the therapist for something like an annual re-diagnosis or something - “Yes, he still has it!” I guess… this was 2007-2008 and in a small metro. So I wasn’t able to keep it.
I think that’s long enough for the initial to wear down a little, but they did put me on 20mg tid, so while sometimes I did get a little energy boost, for the most part, that was what worked the best - and I could absolutely easily sleep on that, tending to support the level. heh.
The initial dose I had was 10mg, and yeah, after a while they bumped it to 20mg because I adjusted a bit, but it was still useful as long as I had it.
But as you allude - I even still remember how it felt, and I’ve been able to tap into that a little bit. Not to overcome executive disfunction, but it somehow helps me focus when I want to a little better somehow. Somehow just having it helped me accommodate a little better. Sometimes. Well, occasionally. Well, it feels like it anyway, or I can at least say “I know what I would do if I was on ritalin right now” hehehe
My mom boiled brussels sprouts and I hated them. As an adult who knows to roast them, they’ve become one of my favorite vegetables.
People also did a lot of work to reduce the bitter glucosinolates https://www.bhg.com/news/brussels-sprouts-less-bitter/
the only problem is the amount of oil to produce the crispy brussel sprouts kind of undoes the health they bring to a diet.
at least the amount of oil restaurants will drown them in.
I haven’t had a brussel sprout in idk how long, and have no idea how they were cooked, but could you avoid this with air frying?
absolutely but restaurants always do it their own way with too much oil and salt.
Years ago, I thought Linux was for nerds(which it is) and performed badly and was hard to use. Now I haven’t used Windows as a daily driver in 5+ years and every time I have to use someone else’s non Linux machine, it feels like an ancient machine with absolutely no character to it.
it really has come a long way in a short amount of time. took me only 2 months to learn it to the level that made me comfortable on it as a daily driver and even then i think 2 months is too generous if not for the fact that i built a very specific spec box for a very specific tech purpose using lots of core.if not for that it would have likely been less than a day to be setup on a linux workstation out of the box doing average computer stuff.
And wine and window emulators are plenty on linux so you can run windows programs anyways so there really is no missing out. i run windows office software and 7zip out of heroic only cuz i like having buttons and icons and a ui.
What do you mean?
Soups!
I think my first experiences as a child were tomato soups that just tasted bad to me.
Now I love minestrone, chicken and corn, beef and vegetable, pea and ham, and more! Often a slice of toast or crackers or croutons with.
It would be easier to tell what I initially liked due to wrong representation but dislike now.
I hated Coheed and Cambria because a coworker that I didn’t get along with liked them. Then I was at a festival and saw them perform live and ended up liking them.
Very similar. A coworker of mine in maybe 2005 or so was a huge fan. I didn’t dislike him, but I did think his music taste sucked. So I thought Coheed and Cambria sucked. Then I saw them live several years later at a festival, and was blown away. I admit I was dead wrong. Listened to every album since and they are incredible composers and performers.
Genshin impact. I heard about how it was a “Zelda clone” and full of predatory gacha slop and I refused to play it. Then during the pandemic I saw an AMV someone had made of a bunch of the cutscenes and I was impressed by the cutscene quality. I was also broke and had too much time on my hands, so I installed it intending to stop playing when it hit a point where I couldn’t progress without paying to win.
6 years later and I’m still playing, with hundreds of hours of gameplay into it and a mostly free to play account. Occasionally I’ll throw $5 at it, but the hours of gameplay to money sink ratio is far less than almostany other game I’ve played. I’ve probably spent $100 total on a game I’ve played almost daily for 6 years.
I’ve had my ups and downs with it, but it’s for sure a good game, and it’s shaken up a whole industry of games to force them to do better.
Christianity. All about it.
The god described in the bible is abusive.
Omnipotence means he knew what would happen when he created humans, and he did it anyway. “Free will” is impossible if he knew what would happen, it’s just an excuse to guilt you into obedience. How does an omnipresent being leave the room long enough for unsupervised humans to listen to the talking snake he left with them, then act surprised when he comes back?
“Mankind is evil. I will flood the world. … There. I killed most of them, but they’re still evil. Oh well, lol, I’ll kill them different next time.”
I’m sorry you’ve fallen prey to a death cult. I hope you get out before hurting anybody.
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Thank you for your detailed opinion, but have you read the question?
Yes. You initially disliked christianity because of bad representation, but now you’re on board with a genociding babykilling slave rape condoning god.
Bad move. I hope you get out safely. Supporting christianity is supporting abuse.
Including the whole slavery thing?
Pretty fucked up if you ask me. Not only Inexcusable, but never once even mentioned by Jesus (with other areas of the New Testament ordering slaves to obey their masters, even the mean ones).
No thanks.
Funny, I went the other way. heh
I was just thinking about how I enjoy watching album reaction / review videos, but for years I strongly disliked that genre of videos because the first two videos I watched from different channels covering the same song were both really misogynistic and minimizing the talent of the original artist.
