Edit: I intentionally put “bad people” in the title in order to provoke. 😊

If you don’t know what I’m talking about:

Death Note

Black Mirror - Hated in the Nation

I’m not sure how to limit the scope of this discussion, since it touches upon so many areas of morale:

  • the value of life
  • the right to kill
  • vengeance/revenge
  • crime
  • good and evil

So I encourage you to be articulate and to follow some structure: “what(thesis) - why(evidence) - what (thesis)”. Other easy to follow variations, such as “why(background + evidence) - what(thesis)” or “what - why - what - by the way(discussion)” or just a simple “what” are of course good too. I’m not trying exclude comments, and I won’t, just encouraging an easy to read discussion. As for me:

I would not kill using a Death Note, unless for some utterly personal vendetta. I would also not kill those that did, if we were talking about some sort of society wide phenomenon. I believe that taking action against human life on the macro scale, such as a nation state against another or such as one confined justice system against one of its subjects (state versus an individual, for instance) or in the fictive case of the above mentioned media, is wrong. This is because I don’t believe it right to through politics or legislation qualify or quantify the value of a human life, such as is done in jurisdictions that allow capital punishment. While I’m against such “marco actions” on human life, I for some reason have less of a problem empathizing with the individual victims involved, which is to say, I don’t think I’d rage against, say, a grieving mother avenging her murdered child by killing the murderer. But then again, not all individuals have the ability or the capacity to exact revenge and maybe they have to rely on their nation state for some kind of restitution? My opinion is probably logical mess, full of contradictions, but there it is. Feel free to poke holes, in a kind manner!

  • DonkeyStar@lemmy.world
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    I’d do the eye deal so that I could take out bad drivers. Just have sheets and sheets of “___ pulls over safely, parks, and turns off the car, then has a heart attack.” with a mount so that I could fill in the names as I go.

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    1 hour ago

    I have no idea what I would do, but I know it would destroy me, either from guilt due to inaction or guilt due to action.

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    I would absolutely use it. Billionaires, war criminals, fascists, they’d all be targets.

    Once handed the death note, I’d give it a test run on a singular target, with very specific means of death. Just to make sure I’m not wasting my time.

    Once it’s confirmed as functional, I’d set a date roughly six months in advance. Then I’d hop on Tor and do fuck loads of research for about 5 months, setting the date of death for those billionaires, war criminals, fascists, all for the same day. I’d try to make sure it’s a global thing, not just centered within “western” countries.

    The world would go into a bit of a panick, as fuck loads of very powerful people would overnight be gone. The status quo of the world wouldn’t change too much I wouldn’t think, but the rich and powerful would have a wake up call. Some of them would be missed, some of them would have estates going to children. I wouldn’t target minors, but adult children who retain that lovecraftian wealth would themselves become targets for round two.

    Round two would be significantly harder to implement. The rich and powerful that slipped through the cracks in the first round would be taking big steps to hide their presence. The research to find these traitors of humanity would get significantly harder. But just as before I’d set a date about 6 months out, and do 5 months of adding names with the date.

    I’d like to hope that the second round would be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and gets the currently rising tide of fascism to stop, wealth to become unwanted, etc. It will have hopefully established a pattern which makes those with the opportunity to become billionaires, war criminals, or prominent fascists to not go down that path.

    Twice a year every year the process would continue, and every year it would get harder and harder to discover targets. But I think it would be the safest way for an individual to use the death note to move the world to the right track.

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        IIRC the means of death has to be something they would conceivable do, and in a very short time span of a few minutes.

        So you can’t have the targets say messages with information they didn’t know, or have them take actions that would be too out of character, or long in duration.

        And the process of having a billionaire give away all their wealth is a long process. At best it would take days, if not weeks for all their stocks, art, assets, money to be donated/sold/etc. It would get even worse with round two, because there would be far less willingness to take ownership of those wealth vehicles, knowing that there may be a risk of your own head being on the chopping block.

        The closest would be having war criminals recant their actions, but that just takes up more space on the page, and more carpel tunnel.

    • printf("%s", name);@piefed.blahaj.zoneOP
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      4 hours ago

      While I obviously disagree with your views, your writing is THE BOMB. Please make this a short story or novel - preferably in gory naturalistic style - and post it!

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        Thank you, I appreciate it.

        I’ve been toying with the idea ever since I watched the show. It is in effect, political fantasy masturbation.

        But it is fun to jack off sometimes.

        I could see myself making a short story on it. Definitely not a novel.

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    4 hours ago

    If you asked me this years ago I would have said no. Today though it would seem like such an opportunity to mitigate the effects of climate change and pollution and greed.

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    5 hours ago

    No. I’m against death penalty and I extend that to also apply to the people I don’t like.

    I’m not even going to read the other responses but I’ll make an educated guess that this is a minority view here.

  • L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works
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    The existence of the death note proves the existence of the afterlife, and as the one who found it I am clearly the predestined divine ruler of earth.

    Using the death note causes ones soul to be irreparably marked and when you die your soul is obliterated (iirc the Shinigami eat it but it’s been a while so idk specifics end result is obliteration)

    My death note would be used as a tool of power. First to create the ultimate prisoner’s dilemma. Simply write down the names of your accomplices, and they will be absolved of all crimes (go to heaven) while you will be given a title of nobility in the kingdom (might as well make your life worthwhile since you won’t get the afterlife).

    I would even allow the justice system to use it as punishment. Have criminals sentenced to obliteration use it on criminals sentenced to mere death.

    Scientists of course would be given a copy. Since it kills the heart, what about pacemakers? There’s a small delay in effect implying that it must travel at some speed, so does relatively matter and in principle could you outrun the effect? Can we draw power from soul obliteration? Can we draw power from the afterlife? Can we bridge into the afterlife and turn souls into power gems??? How does the paper know what language to use? Many tests to run, many sadistic villains with damned souls which I’ll have to run them.

    Also since it would inevitably be used on me in some way, or I would inevitably be forced or tricked into using it, I’ll just have to die knowing the memory of tyranny will persist and make it into the afterlife.

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    8 hours ago

    I know of some powerful people I would want to write the name of. I’m not sure if it will end the wars and suffering they’ve caused, but I believe the world would be a better place without them.

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    8 hours ago

    I would use it. But I wouldn’t use it against regular people who are in jail, they are serving their time for their actions.

    I would use it against those who have the resources to avoid jail time.

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      There are many people who contribute or cause people’s deaths who should have their ability to cause harm removed from society, but who continue to roam free as a result of their disproportionate influence and the corruption of the system (which they often contribute to). Given the lack of alternate means, I would choose to remove them in the most expedient way possible while also minimizing the opportunity for recidivism. I view this as the most utilitarian approach to maximize life, liberty, or even general happiness.

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    8 hours ago

    Oh yes, I’d probably end up with carpal tunnel syndrome from using it too much. Politicians, billionaires, CEOs, celebrities and that guys that parks his huge ass truck in a way that the hood is intruding on the sidewalk.

    Also I’d try to do it in funny ways while they are on live-TV when possible, like the priest that got hit by the falling cross.

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        6 hours ago

        I think we can expand it to shave down some of the upper multi-millionaire population as well.

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          6 hours ago

          People often forget that the Death Note lets you control the person near their death. Have them release a list to the public of their trusted conspirers.