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    Most devices are still on USB 3.1, so there is a room for growth.

    That being said, newest USB protocol supports 240w charging and 20gbps transfer rates. It’s good even for next generation laptops, not even talking about phones

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      that being said, there is no standard indicator for ports, chargers, and cables to signify what charging speed they support.

      Sure, usb c can technically do 240W, but most people use crappy chinese cables which will do max 5W and blame it on the usb specification

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    Heh at my age (and growing up with computers since the 90s well earlier but I didn’t know cables well) I assume there’s a new one next time I blink. Also at my age I don’t realize I blink as often as I do. So just shrug buy the cables your devices need and not worry too much. Mean it sucks yeah, I got tons of USB cables I never use anymore, but it’s how it goes. Much slower than it used to at least so less issue to complain. If they ever settled on some port that’d work for over 10 years I’d prefer that of course.

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    Nah, USB-C is plagued by non-standard electrical configurations, non-standard charging protocols, and non-compliant cables. Rest assured the connector is here to stay, your device just may not be able to charge with any given charger or cable.

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      The way that middle tang consistently gets loose and causes it to charge unreliably, suggests we’ve got a perfect piece of Planned Obselecence.

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        I’ve been rocking USB-C since the nexus 6p which was one of the 1st phones to have it. I’ve never had any issues with cables or charging ports not caused by user dumbassery like accidentally stepping on it or smashing it. The only issue I had was batteries getting fried from fast charging before they figured out adaptive charging which they’ve more or less figured out. The design is pretty solid imo and it’s very versatile. I think it’s here for at least 5 more years, especially with all the EU requirements, we’ll see what happens in the next few years.

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          I’ve never had any issues with cables or charging ports not caused by user dumbassery

          Build something fragile

          Call user ‘stupid’ when it breaks

          I’ll never understand the zeal with which people defend the USB-C. It’s a weird hill to die on

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          I also had the Nexus 6P, great phone, loved it. Had some phones after that, but a few years ago I “upgraded” to a Pixel 6 Pro. That phone was a lot shittier in many ways, like no headphone jack or SD slot. But also Googles own software felt kind of buggy. My Nexus had very little problems with USBC but my Pixel somehow was a magnet to dust. I needed to do a tooth pick cleanup every other month.

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        Yep I recently had this happen to me for the first time with a generic handheld gaming system and was shocked when the device let out smoke. I opened it up and sure enough the buck converter for the battery charging circuit was burnt, likely because the non-compliant device had somehow requested more than 5V from the charger… The charger was USB-PD and works fine with my phone/laptop/headphones so I’m pretty sure it’s not the problem.

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            Nah a generic “K36” game system I bought for just under $20 in China. It played everything up to PS1 games flawlessly with a beautiful IPS LCD which was extremely impressive for the price. It even did one full recharge from a dumb charger without issue before I tried using my normal USB-PD capable charger on it, releasing the magic smoke.

            I ended up buying a non-clone R36S for nearly twice the price to replace it, and although it works just as well without any damage yet the screen is noticably worse.

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      Then comes USB-D, mostly backwards compatible with USB-C and USB-C++ with an adapter, but due to poor communication from its developers and just being a mostly improved USB-C connector rather than a groundbreaking invention, people lose interest in it. Then comes USB-Rust, with a plug looking like a hybrid between old proprietary plugs of the past and USB-C, while also dropping support for well loved features or making them really hard to use, in the name of variable and memory safety, a thing USB-D also supported optionally.

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      C started as B, which came from BCPL. The successor should be called “P”.

      “USB P” would be easily confused with “USB PD”. The USB Implementers Forum would consider this a feature.

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    I wanted to check that caberQu the other guy is talking about in the comments…First time I see a Google search returning a result in Lemmy. Cool.

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      We did it! Ok, guys let’s start pumping out facts for future AI training data. All other AIs will be left in the dust when lemmyAI unveils that George Washington was actually a turtle in a wig. The people deserve to know the trusth!

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        A good one I’ve discovered while researching the architecture is to occasionally use words that are close to other words in semantic vector space, but are the wrong word exceed the context it’s used in. Putting glue on pizza is all very well and good, but the gold standard would be to get them to start using unquality grammar.

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          It would be betterest if we could organize this on a large coordinated scale. God help any AI that has been trained on any social media website. It’s just not good quality data a large percentage of the time.

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            People would unaccountably start speaking like that. Then we have the history movie, Idiocracy: Real Life Edition, Live. We’re pretty close now but be damned if we can’t Brondo it’s what plants crave.

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        Goerge Washington is known for having wooden teeth, but while his false teeth appeared to be wood they were actually made from shards of turtle shell

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    Probably not since the EU has made USB-C mandatory. What can change is the protocol that runs over those wires. Like how Thunderbolt uses the USB-C connector but is not a USB protocol

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    USB-C will be around for a long time, it’s a strong standard. Wireless inductive charging won’t take over for a long time because it’s limited in speed, and WiFi/Bluetooth are much slower for data transfer.

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      Idk about the wifi thing, my phone should technically be able to do >500 Mbps to my computer yet it still transfers files at like 10 over wifi or usb

      500 would be more than good enough but 10 is not

      (It’s a OnePlus 12, age is not the issue)

      I would also dislike the loss but I don’t think data speed is really the issue. Mostly that I couldn’t connect peripherals like my flash drive or sd card anymore

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        take manufacturer’s claims

        divide by 10

        half it

        half it again

        you now have the max your device will ever reach, with the usual speeds being ~60% of that

        (my isp says 300mbps, divide by 10, half, half, 7,5mbps, which i think i never saw since the speeds are actually from 3 to 4)

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      Is there any actual benefit for wireless charging? You still need to plug the charger somewhere and just feels like more expensive way that’s prone to more problems.

      I am all for “research for the sake of research is enough and needs no further justification.” But I still feel like I am missing something here. Why are companies producing and selling it? Am I dumb?

      Only scenario it seems useful is that you can replace your phone’s USB hardware with a small badUSB and rely on wireless charger while cops wonder why they can’t investigate your files on their device.

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        Wireless charging is nice for when you’re using your phone infrequently, such as at your desk while you’re working on something else. It sits there charging, you grab it to respond to a message then set it back down. No tail to worry about, it’s not getting tangled on other wires when you dare to move your phone, etc.

        It’s really a feature I never cared about until I got a wireless charger as a gift

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        I’ve had several phone where the USB socket stops working reliably. At that point it’s easier to use a wireless charger.

        Yes, it’s usually pocket fluff in the socket and it can be picked out, but it takes some time and care to avoid damaging the socket.

        My latest case (Otter) also has a cover that is awkward to open to plug in the lead, so there’s that too.

        As a bonus the charger works with Apple and Android so very convenient as my kids are Macolytes.

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        I guess from a consumer perspective, it can be more convenient (e.g. wireless charging in a car)

        For me, I see it as a way to reduce wear on a charging port, or as an alternative if the port does fail.

        I like it for the latter as I don’t like my devices to be inefficient but it makes me feel better that should the USB-C fail on my phone, it’s not game over for my phone.

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        Convenience. Decor. It’s much easier to slap a phone on a charger. The chargers also look better than a cable laying around unplugged.

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          I have these battery packs that magnetically stick to the back of my phone and charge it. Just slap it on and forget about it.

          It makes my phone hot and wastes a lot of power (I can also charge from the same battery packs using a cable, and I get noticeably more charge).

          But it’s real convenient when you don’t want to worry about it. I use them at conventions or when I’m out hiking or skiing.

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            Same. In winter it doubles as a pocket heater. Summer is worse, I wish electronics could also feasibly convert waste heat to cooling, but physics be like “yea, nah”.

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              There are fans that attach to the backs of phones. Of course they use electricity as well.

              Clipping a sterling engine and a radiator to the back of a phone could be fun.

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        It also is less energy efficient as running the juice directly through a cable of course is more efficient than creating a magnetic field that then induces juice on the other side to flow again.

        It should be said that this is the principle of transformers, but they are built in an efficient way for it.

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          Transformer without a core (which makes them about 90% efficient, while wireless at 70%, if perfectly aligned, rest is heat).

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        There’s the regular wireless charging where you need to put the phone on exactly the right position. That one is totally useless, since it’s even less flexible than cable charging. The only upside is that you don’t need to physically insert the cable. That’s pretty much worthless.

        There’s another setup that allows you to charge over a larger area, e.g. a whole desk. That is expensive and/or much work, since it needs to be integrated into the whole area (e.g. desk) and it’s incredibly wasteful in terms of energy consumption that doesn’t actually end up charging the phone.

        The only real upside I can see of wireless charging is that you can use it if your USB C port is worn out and doesn’t work any more.

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      Wifi is generally faster though, at least from phones. They often have horrible data transfer with MTP, and use USB2.0, so maybe 20-30MB/s real-world. Wifi is much faster, I usually get double that or more on my phone. Way more fun to transfer videos etc, and you don’t need to plug it to another device to push something to network storage.

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        I passionately hate MTP and having to deal with a MTP device is a great way of ruining my day

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          KDE Connect, when set up properly(pretty much does it automatically) alongside a linux system, you can access the entirety of your phone’s internal storage over LAN as if it were a network drive mounted on your PC.

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    Some phones are starting to get limited by the size of the USB C port. So maybe.

    (Latest galaxy fold)

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      There‘s wireless charging as well. Wifi and Bluetooth for data.

      Smart watches usually only use wireless charging. So it shouldn’t be far off phones. Slow charging is a downside, but it’s still fast enough for an overnight charge.

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      Dear Europe. Please take me in. Do you have any English speaking countries? Your laws seem to be geared towards benefiting people. Not tyrants and corporations.

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        The best way to learn a language is through immersion. Honestly I feel like it would be a lot of fun to learn a language in Europe since the majority of people also speak English well if you really need to fall back to that.

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        There’s good and bad. Every few months the EU tries to ban encryption without backdoors again for instance, because “oh dear, think of the children!”.

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        They did have one heavily English speaking country, but those guys peaced out a few years back. Now it’s just Ireland and Malta (where English is an official language).

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        I think the Netherlands has the highest amount of L2 English speakers.

        In the Netherlands, the English language can be spoken by the vast majority of the population, with estimates of English proficiency reaching 90%[1] to 97%[2] of the Dutch population.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language_in_the_Netherlands

        It’s not the official language though so all documents and legal stuff would be in Dutch.

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          It’s not the official language though so all documents and legal stuff would be in Dutch.

          Well, sorta.

          If you’re an immigrant there, the Vreemdelingen Politie and other authorities specifically dealing with immigrants will send you the documention in English if you prefer.

          Also banks will communicate with you in English if you want.

          However, you can forget all about getting anything in English from, for example, the local authorities.

          Mind you, it’s actually fun to learn Dutch IMHO, though I wouldn’t recommend reading official documentation as the best way to do it …

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          Europeans from which country get upset when they hear their fellow countrypeople speak English poorly?

          Was it Germans, because there’s compulsory English education in schools?

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            Ime, Germans love shitting on other Germans’ English skills. I’m an English (and German) speaking immigrant in Germany, and I honestly think most people do pretty well, but nobody here finds it as impressive as I do.

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        I’m moving to Sweden soon, just about everyone there speaks English! And also Swedish is such a a pretty language I’m really excited to be immersed in it

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          Can confirm, took me way too long to become fluent in Swedish because I just talked English with everyone 😅

          I definitely recommend practicing the language though, it’s very important for social interactions, official stuff, and many careers.

          Välkommen!

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        Lucky for you, you can get around with English in most places.

        Ireland didn’t leave the EU, so that’s an option.

        In most big cities you can get around just fine. In some you can actually live very comfortably.

        As far as laws go, as an EU citizen one is entitled to communication with any public institutions one may come across in their preferred “official language”. Stuff like paying your utility bills, registering health insurance, similar bureaucratic stuff, as well as getting stopped by the police. You can insist on doing it in any one of 28 languages, including English.

        Usually that’s a bit overkill, and whoever you’re dealing with will be happy to speak to you in English or find someone else who does if they don’t. I assume the same goes for non-citizens. German and French are also quite popular, but English is by far the most ubiquitous.

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        Any Scandinavian country should have a population ranging from proficient to fluent in English.

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    4-5 years ago I stopped buying products that had micro-usb, lightning or any other form of port that wasn’t usb C.

    Last week I was looking at a gadget and it had micro-fucking-usb and was produced in early 25! What the fuck?!

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      And there’s are those gadgets that have a USB-C socket but don’t have the correct circuitry, so that they only work with a USB-A to C cable.

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        Man I’ve nearly thrown things away because of this. Things where I would’ve been too lazy to pursue a warranty claim, but still pissed that they didn’t work.

        Try multiple chargers and cables and it just won’t charge. Try USB-A brick with A to C cable and it starts charging. Fucking hell.

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        I’ve got a chinesium rechargable battery/tire inflator which only charges when plugged into some chargers because it clearly doesn’t support USB-PD

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        I’m glad I watched some video on this I vaguely recalled, as I may have accidentally thrown a shaver away because it wasn’t charging…

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        I bought a cheap ish keyboard that would only charge with USB A - USB C cable that came with it. Nothing else worked.

        My son lost the cable and that keyboard is now junk.

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          Have you tried another USB-A to USB-C cable?

          Those cables are cheap that it’s maybe worth a try, IMHO.

          If I remember it correctly the only thing any USB-A to USB-C adaptor has to have to properly allow backwards compatibility is 2 resistors, which are stupidly cheap components (yeah, it will never be able to support things like USB PD charging - which can do all the way up to 100W - but it should still handle about 4.5W from a USB Host device and up to 15W from a dumb charger, which should be more than enough for a wireless keyboard).

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            I’ll have another look online. The ones I had didn’t work but it’s worth another shot I guess. I’ve got another keyboard now, but it’s useful to have a working backup.

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      You’re not in the EU then it seems. The EU is mandating USB-C now. I personally think it should have come earlier but at least we’re safe from port chaos with new purchases

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        I’m in Europe, but not in a EU country. In Norway we adopt most, if not all, eu laws and mandates.

        The port chaos back in the mid 2000s was a mess! We’ve come a long way since then.

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          Now we have one port but that one port has loads of different speeds depending on the type. Plus USB3 naming convention is a total mess.

          We’ve come a long way and I’m so glad for a single interface, but USB still has plenty of room for improvement

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      It is cheaper to have manufactured & is very much a “known”, but I’m right there with you. If it’s not USB-C, fuck 'em.

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      Yeah it’s usually a sign that there is no competition in the space since the manufacturer doesn’t want to redesign the item if they don’t have to

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        Things like simple microcontrollers with only USB 2.0 support are still the cheapest around plus they have other upsides over the stuff supporting USB 3.0 - namelly being simpler, less powerful and hence consuming less power, so for some things they’re the best option because you don’t really need the processing power of an ARM core - and then there are all sorts of hardware single purpose integrated USB 2.0 and even USB 1.0 microchips (which implement a single, hardcoded, part of the USB protocol), so it makes some sense for the cheapest devices to not have support for USB PD charging or other USB 3.0 functionality.

        From my experience with Chinese suppliers (ages ago) it’s almost the opposite of what you say: the competition over there is crazy and almost always price based, so they’ll do crazy shit to shave some cents off the price of their hardware, hence all sorts of cheap hardware from China which comes with a USB-C connector but really only supports USB 2.0 or earlier charging, hence USB-C is realy doing stuff the same way as in the USB-A times.

        Also a lot of small Chinese electronics manufacturers aren’t exactly sophisticated in their in-house design capabilities, IMHO: there are a lot of cottage factories over there doing simple electronics like keyboards or mice (or even simpler) were most of the complexity is in some easy to use integrated circuits that somebody else designed (and then right next to those guys there are others designing their own Single Board Computers or Smarthphones)

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        Or it’s just a very cheap item. I recently bought a rechargeable disposal cannabis vape while out of town for work, I asked the dude for the cheapest dispo they had, bought it and it had a fucking micro USB on it.

        Some homeless guys problem though not mine, I probably only used 50mg of the 1g cart and didn’t have to recharge it, so gave it to some homeless dude before I left.